Retired FBI John Douglas
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2001-06-16: From CrimeNews 2000 Forum thread,
"Mindhunter" and 'ideas' for staging"


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6/16/01 09:19 AM
"Mindhunter" and 'ideas' for staging [Post#: 8477 ]

I read in more than one source (and it's probably also in the search warrants), that among the books found in the Ramsey's bedroom -- including many books police believed JR had to help him deal with the death of Beth -- was a copy of "Mindhunter -- Inside the FBI's Elite Serial Crime Unit", by John Douglas and Mark Olshaker.

I was intrigued by the presence of this book, and how it might (or might not) figure in the mind of someone attemtping to stage a cover-up scene.

On page 298, Douglas talks about the case of a kidnapping/murder of an 18-year-old girl that took place in Columbia, SC in 1985.

The kidnapper made several phonecalls to the victim's family. He said a couple of things (quoted from the tapes made of the calls) that sounded familiar:

(p. 303) "You will receive instructions where to find us"
(ibid.) "Listen carefully."
(p. 311) "Okay, listen carefully."

When the victim's body was found, Doulgas says, "The sticky residue of duct tape was on Shari's face and hair, but the tape itself had been removed -- futher indication of planning and organization." (p. 303)

Later, the suspect, again in a call to family, said, " 'She said she was ready to depart, God was ready to accept her as an angel.' He described having sex with her and said that he'd given her a choice of death -- shooting, drug overdoses, or suffocation. He said she'd chosen the last one and he'd suffocated her with the duct tape over her nose and mouth." (p. 306)

We know, from the fact that the duct tape which had covered JB's mouth had a perfect lip-print on it, that it had been placed over her mouth when she was unconscious or after death. Why?

There are also accounts of female victims having foreign objects inserted in their vaginas (p. 256, 366).

A few other things in the book echoed some similarities with JBR's case. When he's talking about tracking down a someone who in the early 80s was sending letters threatening politicians, including the President, he talks about the significance of the signature on these letters -- C.A.T..

(p. 360) "There was a lot of speculation about what C.A.T. stood for or symbolized. I told the Secret Service not to spend too much time worrying about that, since it might not mean anything at all. There is often a tendency to read too much into every detail when, in fact, the UNSUB might just like the sound of it or the way it looked written out."

On the R's site (ramseyfamily.com), most of us are familiar with the "Evidence" portion, which now includes photos of bound and gagged Barbie dolls.

This, too, is in "Manhunter". Douglas writes, "I can think of several 'Barbie doll cases' brought to me over the years, all involving adult men", and that in some of these cases he thought the men could well be a danger if they went further with their fantasies.

On this subject, although he says, "... with a doll mutilator, one step further doesn't equal going after someone in his age group, it means going after someone younger, weaker, or lamer." he then adds, "That doesn't mean he's going to go for children necessarily. Barbie is portrayed as a mature, developed woman, not a prepubescent girl. No matter how warped this guy is, what he desires is contact with a mature woman. If he's mutilating or abusing a baby doll, we've got another set of problems."(p. 358)

I'm still rereading the book, but I'd really like to know where the Rs got their copy and who in the house had read it.

Of course, none of this is evidence, but IMO it's interesting just the same.


I also wondered whether I should have posted this because, in an indirect way it's a reminder to the R camp that this wouldn't look that good for them -- then I decided that it's not something they wouldn't be fully aware of by now. I'm sure they have their 'was given to us' ... 'never looked at it' ... 'belonged to Melissa' answers already prepared.

Just as an aside, if PR had ever read this book, the kidnapping/murder case may have stuck in her conscious/subconscious, if only because the only sister of the victim, "went on to do impressive things with her life. The year after the trial, she won the title of Miss South Carolina and was a runner-up in the Miss America pageant. She married and pursued her musical ambitions and became a country and gospel singer." (p. 319) (This would have been in the late 80s.)
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