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"Epilogue of Singular's book"
Posted by Karebear on Dec-23-99 at 02:46 AM (EST)

Quote: If this topic has been raised before, I'm sorry. This is something that has haunted me ever since I finished Singular's book and I would like to hear from anyone who has any thoughts on it, please. This comes from the epilogue, pages 240-241.
"Two weeks later, a listener informed me of the arrest of an individual who knew people connected to JonBenet's death. This middle-class and technoligically sophisticated man had been imprisoned for commiting numerous crimes against children. I visited him in jail one afternoon in mid-February. He looked very much the way I'd pictured him: overweight, sagging and soft. He had a weak mouth and was pale and nondescript, except for his eyes. they were narrow, hurt and fearful, difficult to gaze into or away from. They were dull and very, very sad. He wanted to talk and referred me to his lawyer. "I never did anything with children," he said, "except be too permissive. With just one child. That's all it was." Two hours later, I was sitting with his attorney in his office discussing how his client's information might be useful in prosecuting the Ramsey case and in negotiating a deal to reduce his charges. As I described these events, Hunter asked a number of questions about the inmate's legal status. He was cautious and skeptical, but said he would move forward with this lead...The following day, the inmate's lawyer called Boulder defense attorney Lee Hill, who had also worked as a prosecutor. His client was ready to talk and "wanted to help himself." The lawyer had already told his local D.A. that his client had been approached about the Ramsey matter and was now willing to speak to the authorities about the homicide.
The epilogue ends like this...Now someone in jail wanted to speak to the right people about the killing, and now it was the D.A.'s turn to act, to free himself from the grasp of a murder that had enveloped him in its darkness.
I don't understand how anyone could end a book like this. Does anyone know who this inmate is, who the people are who he says are connected with Jonbenet's death and if this has been looked into?? Again, I'm sorry if this subject has already been covered, but it seems to me that this could be quite substantial. Thank you for reading this.
KB



1 . "Karebear"
Posted by SpiritRain on Dec-23-99 at 05:52 AM (EST)
Quote: I appreciate your hard work in this post, but I have not read the book. Thanks for pointing it out. I will look for it at the library.

 
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2 . "Singular"
Posted by jams on Dec-23-99 at 08:44 AM (EST)
Quote:When I read the book, I felt robbed - just wanted to hear more. Singular has so much more information than would fit in the book and I hope it isn't lost forever.
I have offered him a place on this discussion board - would love to have him post. Maybe one day. I can't imagine he LIKES the silence.

 
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3 . "Hi Kar"
Posted by AMM on Dec-23-99 at 10:15 AM (EST)
Quote:I didn't read the book either. But thanks to your post I will. "quite substantial" is right.
AMM

 
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13 . "Jams"
Posted by Karebear on Dec-23-99 at 08:54 PM (EST)
Quote:>When I read the book, I felt
>robbed - just wanted to hear
>more. Singular has so much
>more information than would fit in
>the book and I hope it
>isn't lost forever.
>I have offered him a place on
>this discussion board - would love
>to have him post. Maybe
>one day. I can't imagine
>he LIKES the silence.
Are you saying that he has a lot more information about the Ramsey case? Why on earth would he omit that from the book? Has he actually said "No" about posting here or not really given you an answer? I can't imagine the authorities not following up on this. Do you think what he claims is legitimate? Can you get an e-mail sent to him?
KB

 
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4 . "my thoughts"
Posted by Mikie on Dec-23-99 at 10:54 AM (EST)
Quote:Not knowing when this occurred, ("two weeks later" than what?), I suspect it was some time ago.
I think there are a lot of criminals out there who would be willing to tell you about anything if it would help them get a lighter sentence. The credibility of the man is definitely questionable.

 
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5 . "What an odd turn of phrase...."
Posted by mousey on Dec-23-99 at 11:39 AM (EST)
Quote:"a listener informed me of the arrest of an individual who knew people connected to JonBenet's death"
I mean, they don't know who did it, so how could anyone claim to know someone "connected to" it? It's just odd wording to me...can't really tell what he intends to imply.

 
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6 . "Singular"
Posted by jams on Dec-23-99 at 11:46 AM (EST)
Quote:Singular is saying that someone in jail is informing on people they say killed JonBenét. And he is saying the police are not - or were not - actively checking the leed as legitimate. I know Singular, Peterson and several others have been VERY upset by the apparent lack of interest in any tip that doesn't point to the Ramseys.
It took the BPD a YEAR to check out the McElroy tip. As far as I know they still have NOT checked out Singular's tip - or asked Peterson for his files. I DO know they haven't asked me for all I have on JoeCarl.
When (and if) this investigation is finally investigated, there could be a LOT exposed.

 
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7 . "the library copy"
Posted by LovelyPigeon on Dec-23-99 at 11:55 AM (EST)
Quote:that I read didn't even go that far! It ended abruptly, with no ending, and not even the theorized idea that the parents *lent* JonBenét out for the night.
Methinks that book was extremely cheaply produced.

 
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8 . "Can the Ramseys sue"
Posted by violet on Dec-23-99 at 02:51 PM (EST)
Quote:the Boulder Police Department for failure to investigate substantial leads in the death of their daughter?
I hope Peterson and Singular are talking to the Ramsey investigators.

 
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9 . "Gee - "
Posted by jams on Dec-23-99 at 06:30 PM (EST)
Quote:I don't think they can sue the BPD - I think the cops are protected from such lawsuits.

 
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10 . "Singular"
Posted by Guppy on Dec-23-99 at 08:30 PM (EST)
Quote:I really can't say why, but even though Singular's
book didn't deliver what one might expect from the
title, I found myself liking him anyway. I always
appreciate honesty, and he let us know about his
lack of progress in re-focusing the investigation
every step of the way. (Since a reporter can't
interact with the world of child pornography with-
out risking arrest, the only way to see if there
is a link is to convince the police to pursue it.)
If he ever wanders in here, I would love to hear
what he has to say.

 
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12 . "Guppy"
Posted by Karebear on Dec-23-99 at 08:51 PM (EST)
Quote:I really can't say why, but even
though Singular's book didn't deliver what
one might expect from the title,
I found myself liking him anyway.
I agree wholeheartedly. He's very straightforward, and yet, I can't believe he would leave the reader hanging like that.
KB

 
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11 . "Mikie"
Posted by Karebear on Dec-23-99 at 08:49 PM (EST)
Quote:The credibility
of the man is definitely questionable.
How can you say that without knowing anything about the man??
KB

 
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14 . "Kb"
Posted by Mikie on Dec-23-99 at 09:12 PM (EST)
Quote:This middle-class and technoligically sophisticated man had been imprisoned for commiting numerous crimes against children.

 
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15 . "Mikie..."
Posted by Karebear on Dec-23-99 at 09:29 PM (EST)
Quote:>This middle-class and technoligically sophisticated man had
>been imprisoned for commiting numerous crimes
>against children.
and...???
KB

 
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16 . "KareBear"
Posted by Mikie on Dec-24-99 at 11:12 AM (EST)
Quote:Sorry, I was interrupted and unable to complete my explanation.
The point is that he was in prison or jail for committing crimes. I will not say that he is innocent or guilty. We do not know. However, it is a sign of his demeanor or his character that he has done something wrong. And how could it be that Singular states unequivocably that he "committed crimes" if that were not so. I believe that there are people who have criminal tendencies in their basic character. The people who are criminals are likely to be self-serving, and although some people might think that a prison term will correct that flaw, I do not. It might make someone regret past actions. It might make a person think twice about doing it again. But in general it probably just makes him do it more conspicuously in the future. This is not a very nice thing to say, I know. I get it from my astrology studies of criminal cases. I see the characteristics of people from their birthcharts and then I see it in their actions. I see that people like Bruno Hautpman and Richard Eberling have uncontrolable impulses to commit crimes with little regard for the feelings of others, and I believe it is possible that many people like them are never imprisoned.
So this man who has committed crimes against children is probably just thinking of his way out of his situation. He does not care if others are hurt by his actions. He only cares about himself. Therefore he might be seizing the opportunity to "spill beans" about JonBenet for a lighter sentence, and the moment of truth probably came and went when his revelations weren't worth beans.
It's just a hunch but if he knew important things don't you think the case would be solved by now?

 
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17 . "personally..."
Posted by jams on Dec-24-99 at 03:35 PM (EST)
Quote:I think the investigation has been limited by egos and blind loyalties; I believe that is why the killer is still walking free after three years.
Remember, it took a year to get them to look at McElroy. Other leads have apparently not been followed YET!
Could this criminal have the answer? Maybe - I don't think it would kill anyone to listen to him and check it out.
Someone could die because leads have NOT been followed, however. That is pretty sad.

 
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18 . "Mikie"
Posted by Karebear on Dec-24-99 at 06:30 PM (EST)
Quote:IF he knew important things AND this lead had been followed up on, then YES, I think there is a chance it would have been solved by now. Like Jameson said, it took a year or more for them to look into McElroy. See my point??
KB

 
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19 . "yes, I get the point"
Posted by Mikie on Dec-24-99 at 07:03 PM (EST)
Quote:I occasionally wonder if the authorities are ever going to get on the right track. But usually I believe they are just about to. Wish I knew.

 
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20 . "Mikie,"
Posted by Karebear on Dec-24-99 at 07:52 PM (EST)
Quote:that is precisely why I firmly believe that this case will NEVER be solved. Why would the BPD go back and look into other possibilities after 3 years and since they "know" the Ramseys were involved but just don't have enough hard evidence. How embarassing that would be to have to admit that they may have been barking up the wrong tree for three years when all along the killer is free to live his life however he pleases. If someone could somehow convince me not to lose all hope, well, that would be just about a miracle.
KB
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