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  On the Today Show 3/24/2000
Posted by: jameson245 - 11-30-2019, 05:12 PM - Forum: Pineapple or Fruit Cocktail? - No Replies

[/url][url=http://www.acandyrose.com/03242000ramseytodaypt5.htm]2000-03-24: John and Patsy Ramsey on the Today Show (Part 5)


COURIC: For every clue, a new question, like the autopsy finding that JonBenet ate pineapple just hours before she died. None was served at dinner that night, so when did JonBenet eat it? Let's address the mystery of the pineapple. That's been a source of a lot of speculation about what she did when you all got home from that Christmas party. Did she really go straight to bed? Did she eat pineapple...

Mr. RAMSEY: Let's...

COURIC: ...before she went to bed?

Mr. RAMSEY: Let's deal with the facts that I know. The facts are that JonBenet was asleep when we brought her home, we put her to bed, and neither Patsy or I fed her anything, because she was asleep. Those are the facts.

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Posted by: jameson245 - 11-30-2019, 05:09 PM - Forum: Pineapple or Fruit Cocktail? - Replies (1)

1999-02-18: “Perfect Murder, Perfect Town, JonBenet and the City of Boulder”
Written by Lawrence Schiller, February 18, 1999

PMPT Page 239sb

"By mid-February the FBI and the CBI forensics technicians had concluded part of their fingerprint typing and fiber analysis. CBI told the Boulder police that no prints had been found on the black duct tape that John Ramsey said he removed from his daughter's mouth and none were found on the broken artist's paintbrush used to make the "garrote" found around JonBenet's neck. The CBI had been able to identify two fingerprints found on a white bowl on the dining room table that contained uneaten pineapple. One print belonged to Burke and the other to Patsy. Since partly digested pineapple had been found in JonBenet's small intestine at the autopsy, the police wondered if the Ramseys had been less than candid about JonBenet's bedtime activities and what time she fell asleep. Patsy and John had never mentioned with whom, where, or when their daughter had eaten pineapple."

[u]PMPT Page 433[/u]

"The police had to piece together the findings of the various pathologists, who had explained to them that when food is swallowed, it goes first to the stomach, then passes to the duodenum, and from there to the lower small intestine. Eventually, the digested food passes into the large bowel, from which it exits. Food found in the stomach and intestines can sometimes be used to estimate the time of ingestion and to narrow the time of death.

In the Ramseys' dining room, just steps away from the kitchen, the police had found a bowl with fresh pineapple in it. Meyer noted in his report that the pineapple in JonBenét's small intestine was in near-perfect condition -- it had sharp edges and looked as if it had been recently eaten and poorly chewed.

Based on the condition of the pineapple in her intestine, the experts estimated that JonBenét had eaten it an hour and a half or two hours before she died, most likely after the family returned home that night. If she had eaten the pineapple after 10:30 P.M., that made the approximate time of death not earlier than midnight."

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  John Ramsey in interview with LS
Posted by: jameson245 - 11-30-2019, 04:59 PM - Forum: Pineapple or Fruit Cocktail? - Replies (6)

June 1998 John Ramsey Interrogation by Lou Smit and Mike Kane (Questioning Regarding the Pineapple)

23 LOU SMIT: Okay. I think that's kind of a
24 chronological that kind of gets up to the hearing.
25 Now I would like to go over the specifics. And

1 this here is academic questions about heating. And
2 you brought up this that you heard something about
3 pineapple. Now what have you heard about
4 pineapple?

5 JOHN RAMSEY: Well, we were asked if JonBenet
6 had eaten any pineapple, because apparently it was
7 found in her system. I don't know if the police
8 asked us that or we saw it on television or the
9 question came up. I don't remember her eating
10 pineapple, I don't remember pineapple at Fleet's
11 or the White's house. It sort of been a very
12 logical hors d'oeuvres. I don't' remember
13 specifically if it was there.
14 I think part of the question was what did she eat
15 when she got home, and I'm sure she didn't because
16 she was absolutely sound asleep. So I don't know
17 nothing about the basis of the question.

18 LOU SMIT: That's why I wanted to show you
19 the picture. I just didn't know what you had heard
20 of this thing. I'm going to show you what's called
21 a picture of 414.
22 This is a photograph that's taken of the dining
23 room table. And it shows various things on the
24 dining room table. Do you see the gingerbread
25 houses? And then you see a bowl on that

2 JOHN RAMSEY: Um hmm.
3 LOU SMIT: What else do you see on there?

4 JOHN RAMSEY: I see a glass with what looks
5 like (INAUDIBLE). Tissues on the glass. A couple
6 knives.

7 LOU SMIT: Do you have any idea how that got
8 on that table?
9 JOHN RAMSEY: It might have been (INAUDIBLE)
10 that's a big bowl.
11 LOU SMIT: I'm going to straighten out the
12 picture so we'll want a close up of everything.

13 This is a photograph of 417. what does that
14 represent there?
15 JOHN RAMSEY: Well, it's a large spoon, not
16 a teaspoon. It looks like Patsy's good silver. I
17 guess that could be pineapple, I can't tell. But
18 it could be. Some people (INAUDIBLE) pineapple to
19 make it old and there's this teabag in an empty
20 glass. I can't tell, but it looks like there is
21 some milk or something.
22 LOU SMIT: Who do you know would eat
23 pineapple like that? Do you have any idea?
24 JOHN RAMSEY: Well the kids like pineapple,
25 but that's a big bowl and this is a big spoon and

1 I can't imagine that the kids would have something
2 like that at any time. Certainly not with iced
3 tea, I don't think. They don't even drink iced
4 tea. I think they do not. (INAUDIBLE) yeah.

5 LOU SMIT: John, I just wanted to kind
6 of check back with you. Now these obviously are
7 crime scene photographs.
8 JOHN RAMSEY: Um hmm.
9 LOU SMIT: And this is the condition that
10 things are found when pictures are taken. We're
11 trying to explain that, even in correlating it
12 with your daughter (INAUDIBLE)?
13 JOHN RAMSEY: Yeah. Could that have been
14 gotten out by someone who was in there that
15 morning, I wonder?
16 LOU SMIT: I don't know. That's a thought.
17 What do you think?
18 JOHN RAMSEY: I don't know. I mean I don't --
19 that's just a huge --
20 LOU SMIT: You mean somebody who had been
22 JOHN RAMSEY: Well, the Fernies or the
23 Whites or, there were a lot of people in the house
24 that were -- that would not be like us to leave
25 that. Certainly not leaving the next morning on a

1 trip, to leave it like that, out.
2 That's a big bowl, whatever it is, if it's
3 pineapple.

4 MIKE KANE: Do you recognize the bowl?
5 JOHN RAMSEY: Oh, I don't know. I recognize
6 the spoon, because it's a big serving spoon. It's
7 not like a teaspoon. And that could be one of our
8 bowls. We had white bowls like that. Patsy would
9 recognize it for sure. It looks like our glass.
10 LOU SMIT: Who would drink tea with a teabag
11 in the glass?
12 JOHN RAMSEY: Somebody who would drink tea,
13 I guess. I don't know. I don't drink tea. Burke
14 will drink sweet ice tea. I don't remember if
15 JonBenet did, if she did.
16 I mean, even for someone who's there and to get
17 out that big of a bowl and put that much pineapple
18 in it and just leave it. That doesn't make sense.

19 MIKE KANE: That was a serving spoon?
20 JOHN RAMSEY: It's a big serving spoon. I
21 mean don't even have an answer.
22 MIKE KANE: (INAUDIBLE) taken out and put
23 back in the refrigerator. Could that have
24 (INAUDIBLE) where it had been?
25 JOHN RAMSEY: It's possible.


1 MIKE KANE: Any other tea drinkers in the
2 house?
3 JOHN RAMSEY: Patsy drank tea. She likes
4 sweet ice tea.
6 JOHN RAMSEY: I believe, not much, once
7 in a while.
8 LOU SMIT: (INAUDIBLE) sweet ice tea, you
9 can put a tea bag (INAUDIBLE)?
10 JOHN RAMSEY: Oh, no. With sweet ice tea
11 you have to make the tea. And I don't know how you
12 do it, but she puts sugar in it or something. It's
13 a southern drink. But, no.
14 I mean, first of all, it was hot tea. You
15 wouldn't it in that kind of a glass, it was weird.
16 That doesn't make sense.

17 LOU SMIT: You see, this is the trouble.
18 That we don't know. We don't know the answer. We
19 just didn't know whether it was like that or
20 (INAUDIBLE) around it.
21 JOHN RAMSEY: I would almost think that
22 (INAUDIBLE) that's Patsy's too. But that would not
23 have been left out by us where it would be for any
24 extended period of time. And that is a huge bowl
25 of pineapple or whatever it is and a big spoon.

1 LOU SMIT: On the 26th, that was the
2 morning of the 26th, John, do you remember eating
3 at that time?
4 JOHN RAMSEY: I don't, but -- No, I don't.
5 I think there was -- I don't know, I don't
6 remember. There might have been some coffee made
7 or something like that. I don't think anybody was
8 feeling to eat.

9 LOU SMIT: Where would you keep pineapple?
10 JOHN RAMSEY: If it were opened, it would
11 have been kept in the refrigerator.
12 LOU SMIT: And that's the walk-in one?
13 JOHN RAMSEY: Right. If it were not open,
14 it would be in the pantry. This little (INAUDIBLE)
15 was here with the cans. (INAUDIBLE) next to the
16 cans. I mean it doesn't look like -- the kids
17 wouldn't have gotten that thing and the spoon
18 down. I mean, that's huge for a child's mouth.
19 They would have gotten a little spoon or a fork.
20 They wouldn't have fixed themselves that big a
21 bowl.

22 LOU SMIT: Is this the first time that
23 you knew about this?
24 JOHN RAMSEY: It's the first time I've
25 seen it, yeah.

0212 1 DAVID WILLIAMS: Can we take a look at the
2 photographs?
3 MIKE KANE: While your doing that, could
4 I ask, you said you had cans of pineapple normally
5 would be kept in that pantry that's open. Do you
6 ever by fresh pineapple (INAUDIBLE)?
7 JOHN RAMSEY: We did not, not that I remember.
8 No. I mean, we had --
9 LOU SMIT: What other kind of fruit did you
10 have around?
11 JOHN RAMSEY: Well we had apples around;
12 bananas, a lot of bananas. The kids loved
13 bananas. Grapes, green grapes.
14 LOU SMIT: Where would (INAUDIBLE)
15 JOHN RAMSEY: The bananas would be hanging
16 from a little stand that was kept in the kitchen
17 over in this area. The grapes tended to be in the
18 refrigerator. I don't remember specifically.
19 LOU SMIT: Do you know if JonBenet would
20 ever get up in the middle of the night to eat
21 these things?
22 JOHN RAMSEY: I don't think so. Not -- no.
23 DAVID WILLIAMS: Was that fresh? pineapple?
24 JOHN RAMSEY: No. But, no, that would be,
25 certainly not a glass that with a teabag in it. It

1 absolutely doesn't make any sense for the kids to
2 have left that there.
3 LOU SMIT: Well we can come back to that later. I
4 do want to talk about that a little bit later. You
5 got any more questions?
7 JOHN RAMSEY: But, I mean, it's strange.
8 It doesn't (INAUDIBLE).

9 LOU SMIT: This is also another picture,
10 picture 416, which also shows the same bowl, only
11 it shows the gingerbread house, and there's some
12 Kleenex on there and things of that nature. So I
13 don't know. Is that the gingerbread house that the
14 children were making?
15 JOHN RAMSEY: Yeah. It looks like it. This
16 was like in -- Patsy would know. I'm not sure why
17 a Kleenex box is there either. That's not normal
18 for a Kleenex box.
19 LOU SMIT: What do you say about that?
20 JOHN RAMSEY: Well, I guess it doesn't
21 belong on the kitchen table. I don't know where it
22 came from, but that's now it aught to be.

23 LOU SMIT: Well, I'm sure that Patsy is
24 going to be asked the same question. Maybe she
25 remembers more on this or not. Is it possible that

1 that could have been left out, maybe because to be
3 JOHN RAMSEY: I doubt it very much.
4 LOU SMIT: Whey do you say that?

5 JOHN RAMSEY: Well, we were leaving town
6 the next morning. We would be gone nearly for a
7 week and a half. I've never seen a teabag left in
8 a glass like that in our house. I know we're not
9 the neatest people in the world, but I don't think
10 we'd have left an open bowl of fruit sitting on
11 the kitchen table.

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  9 pageants
Posted by: jameson245 - 11-30-2019, 12:45 PM - Forum: Pageants - No Replies

JonBenet had been in 9 pageants in the 2 years preceding her death in December, 1996.

Colorado State All-Star kids Pageant: April 1994 or 5.
Little Miss Charlevoix: June 1995 according to Patsy's 1995 Christmas Letter.

Little Miss Colorado - May 1996 (Lisa Ryckman - Rocky Mountain News  LaDonna Griego's 10-year-old daughter, Breanne, passed her                                                                                              Little Miss Colorado title along to JonBenet in May 1996

America's Royale Tiny Miss: Division title: On June 1, 1996, JonBenet appeared in the Royal Miss state pageant in Denver.[b] [/b]

America's Royale Miss Colorado Dream Queen: July 1996.

Sunburst National Pageant: 2nd place: August 1996.
Miss Colorado Sunburst: October 1996.
Colorado's Little Miss Christmas: December 17th 1996.
Colorado's All-stars Christmas Pageant: Metal for talent: December 22nd 1996.

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  JAR and Melinda
Posted by: jameson245 - 11-30-2019, 05:56 AM - Forum: December 25th, 1996 - No Replies

Christmas Eve Night
 Melinda ramsey worked the 6:15 - 7:30 am shift as a nurse in the neonatal ICU unit of the hospital.
John Andrew attended the 11:00 candlelight service at the Peachtree Presbyterian Church with his mother and her friend, Mr. Smiles.  The arrived back home at about 1 am.

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  Christmas Day
Posted by: jameson245 - 11-30-2019, 05:38 AM - Forum: December 25th, 1996 - Replies (13)

December 25th, 1996
Christmas Day - not much information was available for over 18 months -  there was silence from the family, friends, authorities.  Only 19 months later, when the documentary aired in Denver, did the public get a glimpse of what happened that day.
What time did the children wake up? John told us in the documentary - "I can remember Burke and JonBenét running up to our bed to get us up. The little kids would pass out the gifts to whoever they were for and we would go around the room and open each gift – We did that that morning."
What gifts did they receive? What was their reaction?  We know about the bike, JonBenét got a bike.
 At the release of the autopsy, we surmised that JonBenét received jewelry - she received an ID bracelet with her name on the front and the date 12/25/1996 on the back, and she received a small gold cross and a gold ring. She was wearing this jewelry when her body was found.

(We later were told she was given the ID bracelet at the Christmas Party on the 23rd. )
Burke would have been the right age to get the new Nintendo 64 that was just released. We know he got a model that his father helped him with later that night.
 In the British documentary, John described how the children passed out the gifts and then they watched each open what they got in turn.
 The police took all the cameras and film as evidence, but it was returned later to the family.  We can see JonBenét  on the last day of her life.

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  From the TimeLine - before 2000
Posted by: jameson245 - 11-30-2019, 05:30 AM - Forum: The House at 755 15th Street, Boulder, CO - No Replies

The Ramseys were home for the night, the kids were tucked into bed with visions of bicycles, dolls, legos and nintendos dancing in their heads.
John Ramsey crossed the street to the Barnhill house and removed JonBenét's Christmas bike from the garage. He brought it home and placed it under the tree. Soon after, other gifts filled the room.
Sometime later - John and Patsy climbed the stairs to their third floor bedroom, satisfied that Santa had done his job well.

A little about the house.
I was fortunate enough to be allowed in the house in October and December of 1998. The follow description is from what I saw on those visits.
I want to describe the top two floors of the house here. I will describe the other areas as seems appropriate.
Floor plan below...
When they built the addition, the third floor was devoted to a master bedroom suite. John and Patsy's bed was against the East wall, the one facing the street and front of the house.  It was just feet from the staircase leading to Burke's room.
Going toward the back of the house, there was a small hallway that headed the staircase leading to the hall outside Jonbenét's room.
The third floor at the rear of the house was divided - John's closet, dressing room and bathroom were on the South side of the house.  Patsy's were on the North.
Two staircases led from the master bedroom to the second floor, and on to the first, only one went down to the basement where JonBenét's body would be found.
The second floor has been described as a maze but walking through it, it is not hard to move about in. It was a large house but flowed nicely from front to back.
Burke's bedroom was in the front of the house, in the older part of the home, overlooking the street.  His wallpaper was airplanes, all boy. Leaving his room into a hall, there were stairs on the right then a bathroom.  On the left was the bedroom that had originally been JonBenét's but was Melinda's in the winter of 1996.  The wallpaper was pink bows and her furniture was light and airy - a wicker rocker, a white daybed.
Passing through the hall there was a large room called the "playroom". Patsy had her computer there and the kids watched TV and played games.  They were not isolated from the parents at all. The room is big, almost a "great room".  A TV in the southeast corner and a table and chairs in front of the north window with a LOT of room between.
This made up one "area" of the house. Just the feeling when walking through - a turn in the hall beyond the "playroom" gave me the feeling I was entering another "area".
The hallway turned to the north and opened up into the larger hall outside JonBenét's bedroom. I will describe the hall going in a counter-clockwise circle.  The stairs to the third floor are on the right, (not clear on the blueprint), straight ahead are the spiral stairs to the first floor.  Beyond the stairs in the corner is a closet that held a small stackable washer and dryer in it. NOT a large closet. A window on the North wall then in the corner a counter area with a sink in it.  A guest bedroom opened up just to the left of the counter. This was called "Nedra's room" because it is where Nedra stayed when she visited.  This room has its own bathroom.  On the south , there was JonBenét's room. Not a large room, but it had lots of closet space, the entire area that backed up to the bathrooms.  This is where her awards were kept, she had a display case in her room, there was no "trophy room".
Walking through the house, I immediately felt that most noises in Burke's room, if the door were open,  would be heard by John and Patsy in their bed, but JonBenét's room was removed enough that an intruder would feel rather safe from detection.

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  From the TimeLine
Posted by: jameson245 - 11-30-2019, 05:09 AM - Forum: December 24th, 1996 - Replies (5)

December 24th, 1996
Christmas Eve
Time??? - John Andrew arrived in Atlanta, Georgia to spend Christmas with his mother and sister, Melinda.

As in all homes, Christmas Eve is a time of anticipation and hard work. Linda Pugh says she called Patsy to see if she was needed to clean after the party. Patsy said no.
It was then, according to Linda, that she asked for a $2000.00 loan and Patsy immediately agreed. (Rumors said the loan was to help Linda's older daughter and her boyfriend. Linda later said she asked for the loan because she needed to pay her rent and some bills.  In the Ramsey book, Patsy said it was to pay rent.) They agreed that payment would be taken out of her checks in the following weeks. The loan check was to be left on the counter and picked up by Linda later.  The check was never made out, Patsy found the ransom note before then.

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Posted by: jameson245 - 11-30-2019, 04:56 AM - Forum: December 23rd, 1996 - Replies (6)

December 23rd, 1996
Preparations had been underway all day for the third Christmas party hosted by the Ramseys in one month. This was the "Children's Party". About 30 friends attended.  There were Christmas trees decorated in almost every room, decorations were everywhere and the mood was festive.
Linda Pugh arrived at 9 am to help prepare for the afternoon party. Her 12 year old daughter, Ariana, was involved too, helping with flower arrangements. Santa was scheduled to appear to visit, hand out gifts and read a note about each guest. The notes were personal in nature, written by Patsy.
The Guest List (not official and I removed the names of the children)

 People at the Ramsey's Christmas party Dec. 23, 1996, 5pm-8pm
*  John and Patsy Ramsey, Burke (9), JonBenét (6)
*  Don Paugh
*  Fleet and Priscilla White, daughter (5-6), son (7-8)
*  Mr. & Mrs. R.A. Brown (Priscilla's parents)
*  Cliff Gaston, boyfriend of Priscilla's sister, Allison Shoeny (attended alone, without his
girlfriend) Visiting the Whites - from California

*  Bill Cox, husband of Priscilla's niece Heather. (attended alone, without his wife) Visiting the Whites -  from California
*  John and Barbara Fernie, son (10), daughter (14-15?)
*  Friend of the Fernies - male (about 9)
*  Glen and Susan Stine, son (9)
*  Susan Stine's mother
*  Glen Stine's mother
*  Larry and Pinkie Barber, two daughters (8 and 6)
*  Joe and Betty Barnhill
*  The Barnhill's boarder, Glenn Meyer, was not invited.  He went to the house to tell the Barnhills something about the dog barking and was invited to join the party.  He did for a short time.
*  Linda Hoffman-Pugh,  her daughter, Ariana (12)
*  Bill and Janet McReynolds (Santa)
Another way to look at this -
There were 5 children ages 6- 8:  4 girls and one boy:  2 Barbers, 2 Whites & JonBenet.
There were 4 boys 9-10:  Stine, Ramsey, Fernie & Fernie friend.
There were 2 older girls:  Fernie & Hoffman Pugh.
The Ramseys had invited their circle of friends - the Whites, Fernies, Stines, Barbers, Barnhills (the Walkers were invited but did not attend) and THEY had brought assorted parents and other relatives.
In all there were 23 adults at the party (including Santa and his wife).
34 people at that party - THAT makes a rather full house!

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  from the TimeLine
Posted by: jameson245 - 11-30-2019, 03:46 AM - Forum: Judith Phillips - Replies (1)

In February of 2000, Judith Phillips gave an interview to Mary Suma, a poster on the internet who used the hat "mame".

In that interview, Judith said that when she first heard of the murder, she was "not surprised".  Judith felt that the Ramseys had been given their hard times as a "lesson".  They were living evil lives, not doing as they should have been, so they lost Beth, Patsy got cancer, and then JonBenét died. Judith felt they should have been donating more time and money to the poor, not spending it on homes, decorating, traveling... certainly not PAGEANTS!
But Judith said that she did NOT believe that the parents were involved in the murder at all. She said the thought was "inconceivable".
THAT was what she felt right after the murder.
She went on to say that she later became convinced that Patsy wrote the ransom note - this all happened at the same time her marriage was failing and her new friends were the tabloid people.  They were calling her up to 30 times a day, talking to her, befriending her. She said this happened because she "was privy to a lot of information."
She said she knew the Ramseys had asked their friends and relatives not to speak to the press, but, she said, "I guess I'm the kind of person that, someone says, 'Don't do something.', I go ahead and do it anyway."
Before long, Judith found herself not only cut off from the Ramseys but befriended by the tabloid reporters and FURIOUS at Patsy!
Judith said that she became infuriated at Patsy's statement said at the end of the CNN interview - the one where Patsy said "There's a killer out there, hold your babies close."  She said that terrified her, was a terrible thing for Patsy to do - scare people like that.  Mame, the leading interviewer, commented that that was a "...very selfish thing to do."  Judith agreed. "...she would want us to share in her terror."
Judith went on to say that she revieved a letter from the Ramsey lawyers advising her not to make the photographs public.  She said that "...made me mad....extremely angry."  and "...that's when I started thinking, "What's going on here?"

Judith was marketing herself as a friend of the Ramseys, but she clearly was not. The interview gives clear evidence of that.  They spent very little time together, had little in common.
In 1998, Judith believed Patsy wrote the ransom note.
In February 2000, Judith was stating that she believed Patsy killed her daughter.  Her theory was that Patsy had caught John molesting his daughter and that resulted in the murder of JonBenét.
In February, 2000,  Judith was engaged to Tom Miller and close friends with Craig Lewis. 

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