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  Air Taser interview (and more)
Posted by: jameson245 - 02-19-2017, 04:20 PM - Forum: Stun Gun - Replies (6)

"AIR TASER - interview"


"AIR TASER interview"

MSNBC reporter: "... Taser International, the company that manufactured the stun gun Smit believes
was used in this crime. Steven, thanks for being here. In fact, he says it was an AIR TASER 34,000.
You've got one with you, show us how it works.
Steven Tuttle - Taser International: "Well, what you have is the stun gun version of the Air Taser. If
I push back the safety here, (firing stun gun in air)I can activate the actual stun gun and that's what
we... you have to apply to a person to keep them at bay, so to speak.
Reporter: Can you apply it to your arm?
ST: I can, ah, it's not fun, but (applies to arm held in air, the contact is brief and repeating as the
arm jumps away) AH (he grunted) It's very disconcerting and makes you want to stay away from it.
It's somewhat painful. To me that just felt like pins and needles hitting on my arm right now and I
want to get away from that pain.
Reporter: Did it leave a mark?
ST: Not at all. (Showing arm)
Reporter: Let's take a look at a couple of ... we still-framed just a moment ago duting this package
here... the front end of that Air taser, let's take a look at it right now. You can see, there you see,
how far apart are the two sort of electrodes that come out there? Are they roughly 3.5 cm apart?
ST: That's fairly close, yes.
Reporter: And there's another look at it there. OK, the reason I ask that is that Lou Smit took your
product, the 34000 Air Taser, he tested it on an anaestitized pig, hard to say, and produced the
same marks that were discovered on JonBenét Ramsey - not in one place, but in two separate
places. What do you make of that?
ST: Well, actually, we helped supply that Air Taser for the testing. We were as interested in this
case as Lou Smit is. We've worked with him from the very beginning of the case. The one thing that's
interesting is that the marks that the pigs have do look fairly similar to what's on JonBenét Ramsey.
What's unusual is that, if you saw my arm, it was going off in many, many directions. It's extremely
painful, uh, not even painful, just I wanted to get away from it. I don't know how you could leave
this particular device in one solid spot, not once but twice
Reporter: Yeah, but your arm wasn't restricted against a bed. What if a child abut, oh say, 35-40
pounds, age 6, is in a bed, asleep, somebody comes over without her hearing and uses a stun gun,
that taser you've got right there in your hand, and while holding her down uses it on her back and
her neck and face area?
ST: Well, that's an interesting idea because if I do this to a child of say 6 years of age while they're
in the middle of a very deep sleep, they're going to have fairly the same reaction I did. They're going
to want to get instinctually away from the pain. It would be almost be like being hit with a hot iron
while sleeping. It may take an extra second but you are going to wake up, kick, flail and scream....
Reporter: But didn't you tell our producer that if you do this to a hundred people you will get 100
different reactions? Right?
ST: You'll have about a hundred different reactions but most of them will be different screams,
different yelps, different people kicking. You will certainly not see any incapacitation at all. That's the
key to this issue is that you're NOT going to get incapacitation
Reporter: What are you gonna get?
ST: You're gonna get what I did just now and I'm still feeling it... I don't like the fact that I did that
to myself... I would want to get away from that pain...
Reporter: No temporary paralysis?
ST: None whatsoever. There's a lot of places on the internet, if you look up stun guns. It's
completely false as to what these things do as far as incapacitation rates. These are good devices to
keep somebody at bay at best.
Reporter: Is it possible, even though it may not have produced the desired reaction of incapacitation,
is it possible to produce the very same marks? Let's take a look, by the way, on the autopsy photo...
there you see, 3.5 cm apart, is it possible to produce those marks with what you have in your hand
there, Steven?
ST: I can't do it and I've never been able to replicate it on a person in my 7 years with the company.
Neither has anybody in our company been able to replicate those
Reporter: Are you telling me that your taser has never left a mark on any human being or any animal?
ST: It certainly leaves a mark in some cases like a reddish mark. I'm looking at my arm right now and
I've got little red spots here, all over the place - cause the electricity's dancing all over the place.
I'm not able to keep it in one spot. If I were to keep it in one spot, I might be able to get those two
3.5 cm type width spots but what's key here is even if I'm a 30 pound person, I'm going to get
instinctually away from this pain. If you were to have it, especially in two spots to be perfectly still, I
just don't know how....
Reporter: You're not being restrained and you don't have duct tape across your mouth but, Steven,
I'm afraid we're out of time. I want to thank you so much for coming here today and showing us how
it works, we appreciate it. Steven Tuttle of Taser International.
AFTER VIEWING LOU'S PRESENTATION
R: ...heard that story we had on during the break. Do you buy the theory? Does it hold water?
ST:I don't know. It's bewildering to us as a company. We were approached by Lou Smit in the very
beginning of the investigation. We provided a list of people who had the actual AIR TASER in
Colorado. We've also provided them a lot of information...
MISSING SECTION!!!!!!!
R: ...distinctive marks that appear to be the same spread. I think you have an AIR TASER with you
right now and there are in fact - - can you hold it up? - there are two electrodes in the end, right?
ST: There are two electrodes right here what they are talking about is actually leaving marks here
and they are about 3 1/2 cm apart and they're fairly similar in width if you were to measure those
two.
R: Now here's the big question - Can someone hold that to somebody without them flinching or
moving back?
ST: That's the crux of the bewilderment from our company's perspective. I'm going to go ahead and
do this on my arm. I don't like doing this at all but
R: I'm sure you don't
ST: I want to try to hold it there as long as I can. Now this would be simulating anybody's reaction.
(He grimaced and held the stun gun to his arm, he did NOT cry out or make any noise until he pulled
the stun gun away.)
UH! That is exceedingly painful to say the least, it's something instinctually I want to get away from
R: OK, but you're a grown man, Let's take ourselves to the crime scene. This is a little girl who was
asleep, she's 6 years old, what's to say a grown man can't hold her down and just simply hold that to
her?
ST: Well, that could be done, but what we're seeing is a mark that's not moving and as you saw my
arm flailing about... even if someone is heavier,holding that down, that person is going to wake up
immediately and instinctively want to get away from the pain.
R: What about the the notion of incapacitating someone? Is this, obviously when you're being
shocked there, you're out of it for that moment, but when you took it away, you were fine. Will it
knock somebody out?
ST: That is very, very crucial to the issue here, it will not knock someone out, it will not render them
mute. They will kick and scream. I did my best to not scream into the microphone here because it
was very uncomfortable.
R: Once you took it away, though, you were fine?
ST: ... once you stop it. And it's very loud when it's in the air. It does go much more silent as Lou
Smit pointed out with the pillow. It does go more silent when you stick it in the skin. However, the
minute that person breaks contact you do get that loud arcing sound. And again, it just simply would
not cause incapacitation
R: Mr. Tuttle, I can certainly understand why a company would not want their name or product
associated with a crime in this case. Do you see any reasonable possibility that it COULD have been a
TASER and that a child that young COULD have been incapacitated?
ST: It could have been ours and I certainly, we want to work with the investigators, we have from
the very beginning. Um, I don't know. It's bewildering to see if this was ours. The measurements are
close. They're not exact, but I don't know. That's what's stupifying - is you've got two separate
marks that are crystally clear, perfect, without any movement shown on the suspect's, oh, I'm sorry,
on JonBenét. I just don't understand that, how that can be there. (Showing his arm) I don't have the
marks here, they're all over the place. I'm not sure if you can see... from me moving, they've gone
everywhere. Ah,
R: Certainly not as deep as what we saw there. You mentioned... we're quickly running out of time...
you mentioned that you provided list of those who had been sold. Is this something you have to
register to buy?
ST: Yes We do require as a company that if a person purchases an AIR TASER, we are going to know
who that person is. They are registered in a data base and if it's used in the TASER mode, which
would incapacitate somebody, it's going to emit little confetti tags that would match back to the
owner. In this case the taser was not used so we don't have these confetti tags. But we do have
serial numbers. If they find one, we could match that up to who it was sold to.
R: Steven Tuttle, we do appreciate you spending the time with us today.
ST: Thank you


1. "the child was still"
In response to message #0


ST: It could have been ours and I certainly, we want to work with the investigators, we have from the
very beginning. Um, I don't know. It's bewildering to see if this was ours. The measurements are close.
They're not exact, but I don't know. That's what's stupifying - is you've got two separate marks that
are crystally clear, perfect, without any movement shown on the suspect's, oh, I'm sorry, on
JonBenét. I just don't understand that, how that can be there.
The problem he had was that the child hadn't jumped away - - but she clearly could have been
pushed into the bed when she was stunned in the back - - a 45 pound child could have been kept
fairly still under those circumstances.
As for the face marks - - she could have been held still, she might (mercifully) have been unconscious.

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LovelyPigeon
Charter Member
2449 posts
Jul-20-01, 12:46 PM (GMT)

2. "I saw this interview"
In response to message #0


and I have to note that Tuttle did not scream or make any loud noises when he stunned himself very
very briefly.
Why anyone wants to insist that JonBenét would have screamed loudly if stunned refutes the
evidence Tuttle provided live and also the reports of field testing available online.

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LovelyPigeon
Charter Member
2449 posts
Jul-20-01, 12:49 PM (GMT)

3. "also note:"
In response to message #2


STuttle: Well, actually, we helped supply that Air Taser for the testing. We were as interested in this
case as Lou Smit is. We've worked with him from the very beginning of the case. The one thing that's
interesting is that the marks that the pigs have do look fairly similar to what's on JonBenét Ramsey.
Tuttle acknowledges that the marks made on the the pigs by the Air Taser he supplied to Lou Smit
look similar to marks on JonBenét.

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Seal
Charter Member
25 posts
Jul-20-01, 01:03 PM (GMT)

4. "OKay...no there is no reason for this action...but, we could "
In response to message #3


LAST EDITED ON Jul-20-01 AT 01:05 PM (EST)
be discussing a sadistic killer...Could those stun gun marks have been put on JonBenet AFTER she
went uuconscious? Maybe as a means to find out whether she was still alive? Perhaps even as the
garrotte was cutting her breath off...and she didn't have the strength to rebel against the effects of
the stun gun.
Another thing...if JonBenet was sound asleep she wouldn't flinch from the stun gun because unlike the
demontrator, she wouldn't have known it was coming.

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DonBradley
Charter Member
596 posts
Jul-20-01, 01:05 PM (GMT)

5. "Public Relations"
In response to message #3


Yes...'similar'...thats as close as the company wants to get...no closer. They don't want their product
associated with a notorious crime.
So there will be as much 'fluff' as possible and as little substance as possible...but they will emphasize
their 'cooperation' and 'interest in the case' while distancing their product and their company as much
as possible.

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jameson
Charter Member
5676 posts
Jul-20-01, 01:19 PM (GMT)

6. "BORG LIES"
In response to message #5


1. That the stun gun marks don't match
2. That the people from Air Taser totally deny the possibility
3. That Lou Smit has gone back on his belief that it was a stun gun - - most likely an Air Taser
4. That Dr. Mike Dobersen has said that he can't identify the marks without the body being exhumed.
The BORG is LYING - - we have the quotes - - everyone can see the transcripts, see the tapes.
The BORG simply writes misinformation as FACT and figures that if they write something three times it
might become something real. But it doesn't.

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LovelyPigeon
Charter Member
2449 posts
Jul-20-01, 01:20 PM (GMT)

7. "field reports on Taser use"
In response to message #5


these are from the Air Taser manufactorer's site:
http://www.airtaser.com/Web_2000/M26Uses.htm
Descriptions are given of grown men, agitated and physically threatening police who are stunned by
the Air Taser (in dart mode). The men are not described as screaming after being hit, but they are
described as being knocked to the ground.
at the home page http://www.airtaser.com there are various links to field reports and some video
tapes (which I didn't access) that indicate in their titles that the stun victim is knocked to the ground
by the stun action.

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why_nut
Charter Member
8 posts
Jul-20-01, 02:45 PM (GMT)

8. "LovelyPigeon"
In response to message #7


"Descriptions are given of grown men, agitated and physically threatening police who are stunned by
the Air Taser (in dart mode). The men are not described as screaming after being hit, but they are
described as being knocked to the ground."
....................................................................................................
I downloaded the videos. Where there is audio at all, the targets of stun guns are heard yelling in pain
immediately upon the electrical charge being applied. In all cases, the person being hit did fall down,
but also immediately, upon falling down, began to roll or flail as if to get away from the source of the
pain. Not one person was paralyzed or rendered unconscious.

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jameson
Charter Member
5676 posts
Jul-20-01, 02:55 PM (GMT)

9. "not unconscious"
In response to message #8


I was clearly told that people do not lose consciousness - - they become a bit disoriented, perhaps,
but the important thing is that they totally lose control of their muscles - - they are like jello -- can't
fight back, can't scream - - they are totally NOT IN CONTROL.
Any sound they emit is beyone their control.
Some people make a sound, others do not. A pillow over her face - - or a hand - or being pushed into
the bedding could have silenced her.

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why_nut
Charter Member
8 posts
Jul-20-01, 03:38 PM (GMT)

10. "Jameson"
In response to message #9


"I was clearly told that people do not lose consciousness - - they become a bit disoriented, perhaps,
but the important thing is that they totally lose control of their muscles - - they are like jello -- can't
fight back, can't scream - - they are totally NOT IN CONTROL."
....................................................................................................
What you have been told is not accurate, according to the videos, so you may wish to get your
information from what you can clearly see. The videos do not suggest, they demonstrate, that when a
person is hit by a stun gun, their legs will fall out from underneath them if they are standing, but once
they have fallen, they are entirely capable of voluntary movement. Look at the video on the Air Taser
site, the one called "Dangerous Traffic Stop." There you will see a man who is hit with a Taser.
Immediately upon being hit and feeling the pain it inflicts, he controls his actions enough to lay down
on the ground in accord with the officer's instructions. This is not within minutes, but within two
seconds. Unless you have DSL, you are probably disinclined to download the 42mb file, but you should,
it contains video of news stories that involved the use of the Taser. Again, the targets of
stun-gunning demonstrate that they are capable of controlled movement, though they use that
control to attempt to get away from the pain. If you want to behave as you accuse the BPD of doing,
and ignore evidence that prevents you from fitting a stun gun's consequences into your favored
theory, you certainly have that right. If you want to take a higher road than the BPD, though, you will
look at all of the videos and judge for yourself whether JonBenet would have acted in a radically
different manner than the targets are shown doing.

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shadi
Charter Member
7 posts
Jul-20-01, 04:49 PM (GMT)

11. "apple and oranges"
In response to message #10


The stun gun shown in the video is different than the type believed to be used on JB. Also, in the
video that shows the volunteer being shot, there is no scream. Nevertheless, the videos show the
firing type stungun as opposed to the one that is pressed against the skin. BIG DIFFERENCE. If you
hold the electrodes against the skin firmly for 2-3 seconds, marks will appear. This can not be
recreated by stunning yourself as we all have a basic survival instinct to pull away. If you are held
firmly and the electrodes are placed against the skin you can totally incapacitate someone. Have
someone try it on you.

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jameson
Charter Member
5676 posts
Jul-20-01, 07:20 PM (GMT)

12. ""mashed""
In response to message #11


I have spoken directly to a few college kids who actually did some stun gun experiments "for kicks' and
THEY told me that if the stun gun was "mashed" into the subject, the results were more "effective"
than if it was just a "short buzz."
The stun gun was designed to drop a man weighing 200 pounds with a short burst. I think it is
perfectly reasonable to believe JonBenét would have been incapable of struggling for minutes - - long
minutes - if she was the subject of such an attack.

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LovelyPigeon
Charter Member
2449 posts
Jul-20-01, 07:32 PM (GMT)

13. "No unconscious adults"
In response to message #0


but I can't help but wonder what the results would be on a child.
I downloaded the Dangerous Traffic Stop video from that site, and the man stunned in that one
doesn't scream or flail about when he is stunned. The adults become compliant once they are stunned,
and I would imagine a child would also be compliant afterwards to avoid the stun occuring again.
As shadi posted, the 1-2 second pulse given by the dart mode of the Air Taser on an adult might be
considerably less stunning than an extended pulse of electricity in the contact stungun mode against a
45 pound child. There are no reports yet on the results of a child being stunned by direct & prolonged
contact by an Air Taser.
The state of Virginia suspended use of stun guns by law enforcement this Spring in response to the
death of a prison inmate who was stunned repeatedly while strapped down. He died of cardiac
fibrillation. http://www.geocities.com/lovelypigeon/st...soner.html The marks left on his
abdomen look very much like the marks on JonBenét's back, IMO.

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jameson
Charter Member
5676 posts
Jul-20-01, 08:04 PM (GMT)

14. "response to MM"
In response to message #13


MM wrote to LP - - "You neglected to quote this statement from Steve Tuttle about the marks on
JonBenet: "We have never seen those types of marks when you touch somebody with a stun gun. We
are talking hundreds of people that have been touched with these devices. I can't replicate those
marks." (Boulder Daily Camera, May 2, 2001)
What does it take to make people understand - - the marks can NOT be replicated unless the subject
is injured THEN DIES! When a dead person (or pig0 is zapped, there is no mark. When a living person is
zapped, the body immediately starts to heal and the marks simply are not the same.
Further, Tuttle told both Coffman and myself that they had never done tests with the stun guns to
document MARKS - - just "effects".
Steve Tuttle was totally lost before seeing Smit on TODAY. He seemed more confused (and upset)
after.
More from Coffman...
"Got that? The Air Taser stun gun has NEVER made the kind of marks that are seen on JonBenet.
Steve Tuttle also pointed out that the Air Taser does not render people unconscious. He said that the
stun gun theory "defies the logic of what the weapon does." The stun gun theory is based on a
misunderstanding about what stun guns can do to people."
Get this, Frank - the Air Taser Stun Gun may not have made those kinds of marks in the lab or on FOX
when Tuttle briefly touched his arm with the stun gun and pulled away... but it certainly DID make
similar marks when HELD to the skin of a pig before he DIED!
Keep the blinders on, Frank....

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  hearing scheduled
Posted by: jameson245 - 02-19-2017, 03:03 PM - Forum: Burke sues Werner Spitz for $150,000,000.00 - Replies (2)

A hearing in this case is scheduled for Feb. 24th, 2017 at 10 in the morning. Dr. Werner Spitz's motion for summary disposition will be ruled on. 

I hope they don't settle, that there are depositions and a trial exposing just how wrong CBS was when they put on their program;  I think they lied to their "experts" and would love to see that come out.  If I am wrong, I welcome THAT information.  Just tell the truth and get this solved.

But I fear Lin Wood is more interested in the money than the truth.  I expect a quiet settlement and a hush from Werner Spitz.

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  Thomas Hargrove research site
Posted by: jameson245 - 02-19-2017, 02:29 PM - Forum: What is in the news - staying up to date - No Replies

Public website has searchable data on cold cases




Open-source website Murder Accountability Project gives the public free access to data about homicide cases from federal, state and local governments, and the FBI.


The Murder Accountability Project “is the most complete data on U.S. homicides available anywhere,” the website said.
The database includes two major FBI datasets: The Uniform Crime Report from 1965 to the present and the Supplementary Homicide Report from 1976 to the present.

Anyone can use the site to search for cases based on location, weapon, time frame, and the victim’s sex, age and race, and look for connections or patterns.
“This site is especially useful in cases in which an offender is suspected of killing more than one victim,” the website said. “Possible additional victims may be identified by checking all available reports.”

Authors of the website use the 1996 killing of 6-year-old JonBenet Ramsey as an example.

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  Parents who kill
Posted by: jameson245 - 02-19-2017, 01:59 PM - Forum: Intruder evidence - No Replies

I know some parents do kill their kids, but in the end police find a reason.

They are mentally ill like Andrea Yates who drowned her 5 children

or they are heavily medicated on something that alters their personality and leads to a time of violence like David Crespi who murdered his twin daughters in NC

OR they are truly evil people who would sacrifice their babies for money  like Ronald O'Bryan who poisoned his 8 year old son with Halloween candy

or those like Diane Downs and theythye wanted a man who did not want kids..

But try as they might, police could find no evidence of anything like that in the Ramsey case.

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  The experiment
Posted by: jameson245 - 02-19-2017, 01:30 PM - Forum: Handwriting - No Replies

Please try to write a full page at normal speed and make these changes - - just change the vowels - - for the a make a circle with stem at the top for apple, Make an oval egg for the letter e, for the I make a square ice cube, for the o make an x and for the u make an up arrow.

How far can you get before you mess up? Not far, I am sure. Not writing at normal speed.

Now imagine doing it right after killing your child

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  Jaycee Dugard's experience
Posted by: jameson245 - 02-19-2017, 12:57 PM - Forum: Stun Gun - Replies (1)

The following are excerpts from the 135 pages of Dugard's grand jury testimony unsealed by Phimister:

Dugard: And all of a sudden, his hand shoots out of the car window, and I feel this shock. And I stumble back into the, into the bushes. And...I'm sorry.

Q: That's all right. Take your time.
Dugard: He gets out and I stumble back into the bushes. I'm sitting now in the bushes, trying to get away, but I feel like my whole body is — wouldn't work. It was tingly and I can't — nothing works. All of a sudden, I'm in the car, and there's something on top of me, and I feel like there's pressure on me. ... I was put on the floorboard and then something thrown on top of me, and then legs, pressure, face down. I don't know what happened after that because I think I — because I don't remember the car pulling away, or I felt like I blacked out or something.
___
Q: Did you ever, do you recall, during the time while you were in the car, seeing a second person in the car?
Dugard: No. But then I could hear a voice sometime later. I don't know when. The man in the front, all of a sudden, the pressure was off, like I woke up, and I could hear the car door slam like someone was getting into the front seat, the passenger side. And the person that took me was like, handing me something to — said, 'Do you want something to drink?' And then I heard voices in the front, and the man said, 'I can't believe we got away with it,' and he started laughing.
[url=http://www.nbcnews.com/id/31066137/media-kit/][/url]

!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I believe she was given a direct hit with the stun gun and that caused her to "black out" in the car.  I think when JonBenet was hit in the back she was pressed into the mattress and the voltage was so high, and she was so small, she was rendered unconscious.  Remember, we see grown men fall when zapped, but they are not being held firm and can pull away from the weapon.

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  Question #1
Posted by: jameson245 - 02-18-2017, 04:37 PM - Forum: Questions for Fleet and Priscilla White - Replies (1)

PATSY RAMSEY: I just remember hearing
2 something that John Fernie was going to detain
3 Fleet because he was in no condition to be put
4 on that plane.
5 TOM HANEY: No condition due to?
6 PATSY RAMSEY: He was -- and like I
7 say, I am kind of like just catching, you know,
8 wafts of these conversations. But that was my
9 first recollection. I picked up on something
10 that Fleet was not acting right. And they were
11 going to keep him from going on the private
12 plane back to Atlanta.
13 So anyway, I didn't want to think
14 too much about it, and then when we were in
15 Atlanta, I just sort of remember Priscilla
16 standing in my mother's living room, family
17 room, you know, just kind of like this and
18 saying, "well, I know what's going on" and she
19 said, "if you would give me a few minutes of
20 your time, I could let you in on some things."
21 And I turned to her and I said,
22 "Priscilla, how can you know so much?" And I
23 said, "I am the mother of this child. And I
24 know nothing."
25 TOM HANEY: What was she referring
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1 to?
2 PATSY RAMSEY: I don't have a clue.

My question - What would you have told her?

I really hope to see a book from these two one day with all the details.  Let them make money off the case, who cares if we get to the truth, expose the killer and find justice for all involved?

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"Fleet & Priscilla White TIMELINE"

LAST EDITED ON 10-29-06 AT 10:27 AM (EST)

Since my books are stored I unable to quickly find quotes and statements. THIS IS A VERY ROUGH DRAFT, I HAVE ONLY INCLUDED A FEW TO GET US STARTED!!! Please pitch in with dates and events...AND, comments regarding the White's and please include the dates and links if available
Fleet & Priscilla White Timeline
1996
Background…
http://bardachreports.com/articles/v_19971000.html
Missing Innocence: The JonBenet Ramsey Case
The Ramsey's, with JonBenet and their son, Burke, had Christmas dinner at the home of their best friends, Priscilla and Fleet White Jr., a mile or so away. After Ramsey had moved his computer company from Atlanta, to Boulder, in 1991, the Whites and the Ramsey's found they had much in common. Fleet White was also a successful tycoon, in the oil business. Both couples enjoyed sailing and had six yr. old girls with older brothers. Neither Patsy nor Priscilla worked, but both were committed volunteers. When John Ramsey and decided to throw his wife a surprise 40th birthday party a month earlier, on Nov.30, he turned to Priscilla to organize the event at the swank Brown Palace in Denver.

According to police reports, the Ramseys arrived home from the Whites' about 10 p.m. At 5:55 A.M. the Whites were awakened by John Ramsey, who told them to hurry right over. By 6:20 the Whites were there, joined by other friends, John and Barbara Fernie, and later by the Ramseys' minister, Father Rol Hoverstock. (Vanity Fair Article 1997)

Note: While Bardach referred to White as an "successful tycoon", John Ramsey described White's job situation in Death of Innocence, page 294,
John explains in DOI about how "newspapers would refer to Fleet as an oil magnate. His Father, FW Sr, was reported to have had a natural gas drilling company in California. He may have worked for his dad for a period of time before coming to Colorado, but as far as I know, Fleet did not work at a steady job during the time I knew him in Boulder..."

December 23
Fleet and Priscilla attend the Ramsey's Christmas party. Fleet called 911, he claims by mistake, at the Party.
From the Ramsey Book, Death Of Innocence, page 97: Patsy wrote:
"During the party Fleet White used our phone to make a series of calls, trying to get some medicine to his mother in a hospital in Aspen, Colorado. Apparently he dialed wrong and got 911. The Police called back, but after checking with Fleet and the rest of the people at the house, Susan Stine informed them that the call was a mistake. The 911 call still remains somewhat of a mystery."

December 25
4:30 - 9:00pm The Ramsey's attend Christmas dinner at the Whites. Fleet and John play with jewelry on the floor with JonBenet and Daphne.

December 26
6:20am Fleet White arrives at the Ramsey house after a call from the Ramsey's that Jonbenet is missing. DOI, pg 12

7 a.m.:
The Ramseys' pastor, Rev. Rol Hoverstock, arrived. John Fernie and Fleet White went to Burke's room and woke him up. They then proceeded to take him to the Fernie's, where they picked up the Fernie's children and then dropped all the children off at the White's.

1 p.m.:
Detective Arndt asked John Ramsey, Fleet White, and John Fernie to check the interior of the home. They started in the basement. Fleet White reportedly opened the door to the wine cellar and did not see anything. He did not turn on the light.

1:05 p.m.
John Ramsey, JonBenet's father, and Fleet White, a family friend, discover the girl's body in the basement after police recommend they search the home. Police say JonBenet was not stabbed or shot, but won't disclose how she died.

Evening
The Ramsey's moved to the Fernies home in South Boulder. Friend Pam Griffin describes White's demeanor that evening:
Presumed Guilty, author Stephen Singular Page 99-102

I once asked Griffin if she remembered anything more than what she had already told me about her visit to Patsy on the day after JonBenét's body was discovered. She said that the most visible and forceful person at the Fernies' home that day was not John Ramsey, but Fleet White, John's best friend before the murder.

"White was everywhere," she told me. "Ordering everyone around. Telling people what to do and not to do. Giving me the creeps. He didn't want me to be alone with Patsy. Didn't want me in the bedroom with her. Didn't want me talking to her as she was falling asleep. He didn't even want me to help her drink water to keep her from getting dehydrated. I was trying to assist my friend and couldn't understand why he was acting this way. Someone finally had to tell him to back off, so he took a hike and disappeared.

According to Griffin, White behaved similarly at JonBenét's memorial service at St. John's Episcopal Church the following Sunday, Patsy's fortieth birthday."

* 12/27/96:
Missing girl found dead / Six-year-old was reported kidnapped earlier in day
http://www.thedailycamera.com/extra/...6/12/27-1.html

December 29
Vanity Fair Version
The family flew to Marietta Georgia, in a private jet, piloted by John Ramsey, for JonBenet's funeral. (It was later reported in DOI that John did not fly his plane to GA, waiting for source) Among those who went there to comfort the Ramseys that first week were Fleet and Priscilla White. Soon, however, questions and doubts began to nag at the Whites.

Fleet White phoned the Paugh house and said he wanted to come by and speak with John. When the Whites arrived, they were led into the sunroom, where Ramsey, his brother Jeff, and Don Paugh were waiting. According to an insider, Ramsey sat down next to Priscilla and began to pat her arm as if to calm her down as her husband pelted him with questions: "Why do you need all these attorneys? Why aren't you cooperating with the police?" His distress mounting, he declared, "I don't understand what you are doing." Priscilla later told friends that she had told John that going on CNN was a big mistake.

Nedra would later tell police that White was "a wild man and a lunatic." Ramsey would inform friends that "the worm had turned." According to a D.A. source, Ramsey told his lawyers and the D.A. that he regarded Fleet White, whom he had often identified as his best friend, as a prime suspect in JonBenet's murder.

In the ensuing weeks, the Ramsey team spread the word that the Whites were not to be trusted. Pam Griffin was among those who carried the message. "This man has a dark side," she told me over the phone. Pressed to explain how Fleet White could have possibly killed JonBenet, she said, "I don't think Fleet White with his two hands murdered that child. I just think he knows something." (The Whites declined to comment for this story.)

1997

December 18:
Fleet White urged Gov. Romer to remove Alex Hunter from the case and appoint a special prosecutor. LINK NEEDED

1998

January 7
The governor informed Fleet White that he would not interfere in the case.LINK NEEDED & MORE DETAILS

January 16
The Daily Camera publishes a letter from former Ramsey friends Fleet and Priscilla White to Gov. Roy Romer. It demands a special prosecutor be named to the Ramsey case. The governor stands by District Attorney Alex Hunter and declines to act on the request.
• 01/16/98: Romer should remove D.A. from Ramsey case
• 01/16/98: Romer rejects friends' request to replace Hunter

April 6
Fleet White wrote a letter to the president of the University of Colorado. LINK NEEDED & MORE DETAILS

May 14:
Fleet White sent a letter to the Boulder city manager complaining about the case.
LINK NEEDED & MORE DETAILS

June 23
Patsy Ramsey interview with BPD, June 23, 1998 (transcript)
http://jonbenetramsey.pbwiki.com/Legal%20Documents
9 TOM HANEY: In the earlier
10 interview, and I think it was the one on April
11 30 last year, the Whites' name came up as
12 because they were formerly very good friends
13 that you called that morning, but people that
14 you were now suspicious of or something about
15 their behavior.
16 Could you tell us what about them
17 has changed and what you have noticed?
18 PATSY RAMSEY: Well, I guess --
19 every --
20 TOM HANEY: Be candid.
21 PATSY RAMSEY: Well, everything
22 that -- you know, I mean, everything. Our
23 relationship was perfectly normal and fine, and
24 like I said, there are close friends who called
25 first thing that morning. And it was a very
1 traumatic morning, obviously, for everyone
2 there. And people handled things differently,
3 and I know that -- but, suffice to say that
4 Fleet and Priscilla, Fleet probably more so,
5 just on a number of different occasions started
6 reacting very strangely.
7 TOM HANEY: Okay. How did he
8 react?
9 PATSY RAMSEY: Well --
10 TOM HANEY: What did he react to.
11 PATSY RAMSEY: Well, I guess the
12 first -- let's see. The first time -- I mean,
13 you know, after we found JonBenet, I mean I was
14 just in shock and really was -- was not paying
15 too much attention to things. But the first
16 time I really realized that something was amiss
17 was when we were going to go to Atlanta for the
18 funeral on the Lockheed plane, and there was
19 some like scuttle, confusion or something, why
20 Fleet was not going on that plane. I mean our
21 close friends that had been basically -- you
22 know, I don't know what they were doing, John
23 and my girlfriends were bathing me and feeding
24 me and taking me to the bathroom. I mean I was
25 just immobile for all intents and purposes.
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1 And -- and I just remember hearing
2 something that John Fernie was going to detain
3 Fleet because he was in no condition to be put
4 on that plane.
5 TOM HANEY: No condition due to?
6 PATSY RAMSEY: He was -- and like I
7 say, I am kind of like just catching, you know,
8 wafts of these conversations. But that was my
9 first recollection. I picked up on something
10 that Fleet was not acting right. And they were
11 going to keep him from going on the private
12 plane back to Atlanta.
13 So anyway, I didn't want to think
14 too much about it, and then when we were in
15 Atlanta, I just sort of remember Priscilla
16 standing in my mother's living room, family
17 room, you know, just kind of like this and
18 saying, "well, I know what's going on" and she
19 said, "if you would give me a few minutes of
20 your time, I could let you in on some things."
21 And I turned to her and I said,
22 "Priscilla, how can you know so much?" And I
23 said, "I am the mother of this child. And I
24 know nothing."
25 TOM HANEY: What was she referring
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1 to?
2 PATSY RAMSEY: I don't have a clue.
3 I really, I mean, you know, so many times I wish
4 I would have taken her up on it to see what the
5 hell she was talking about. There was just her
6 -- you know, it was just this kind of, I know
7 what's going on here and you don't. And if you
8 give me a few minutes of your time, I could clue
9 you in.
10 TOM HANEY: But she didn't give you
11 a clue or--
12 PATSY RAMSEY: Didn't say, didn't
13 say. So that was like the second little thing.
14 So then, let's see. We were at --
15 we were at my parents, and we had different
16 friends who had come in from Colorado and my
17 friends in Atlanta were putting them up in homes
18 and what not, and my understanding is that Fleet
19 and Priscilla had been invited by my brother and
20 sister-in-law Jeff Ramsey to stay in their home.
21 So I was in bed, and somebody,
22 either my sister, or another friend who was
23 staying there or something, said that Jeff had
24 just called to my parents' home, and said that
25 Fleet was totally off the deep end, had like
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1 gotten my brother-in-law and my brother-in-law
2 is -- you think my husband is docile, my
3 brother-in-law is, you know, very docile. Non-
4 confrontational. So Fleet got hold of Jeff's
5 collar, you know, like this, in his face, you
6 know, being very confrontational.
7 TOM HANEY: Is built --
8 PATSY RAMSEY: Sorry?
9 TOM HANEY: Is Fleet a pretty good
10 size?
11 PATSY RAMSEY: Yes, he's a large
12 man. And anyway, Jeff had called and said to my
13 dad, they are on their way to your house. Do
14 you have a gun? And I mean for Jeff Ramsey to
15 say something like this in pretty wild. So I
16 just remember, you know, somebody scooping me up
17 and Burke up and my mom and all this and we went
18 downstairs to our basement where my mother had
19 set up some temporary beds and then like, you
20 know, like thrown on the beds, like "don't
21 anybody say anything" and you know, John and my
22 dad were going to try to calm them down or
23 something. You know. Just --
24 TOM HANEY: Okay. What do you mean
25 again, what did--
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1 PATSY RAMSEY: I don't know, Jeff
2 was saying that Fleet is just crazy. He is
3 crazy, he is coming over there, I don't know
4 what's happened. You know, he's off his rocker.
5 TOM HANEY: Did he give you a clue
6 though? I mean here your good friends--
7 PATSY RAMSEY: See, I don't know,
8 because I wasn't -- wasn't having this --
9 TOM HANEY: The conversation?
10 PATSY RAMSEY: I am like hearing
11 this thirdhand.
12 TOM HANEY: Okay.
13 PATSY RAMSEY: All I know is there
14 was like some big hubbub here about Fleet and
15 Priscilla were going nutso and they were coming
16 over and somebody just crazy, he is crazy, he is
17 coming over there, I don't know what's happened.
18 You know, he's off his rocker.
19 TOM HANEY: Did he give you a clue
20 though? I mean here your good friend's--
21 PATSY RAMSEY: See, I don't know
22 because I wasn't, I wasn't having this
23 conversation.
24 TOM HANEY: The conversation?
25 PATSY RAMSEY: I am like hearing
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1 this thirdhand.
2 TOM HANEY: Okay.
3 PATSY RAMSEY: All I know is this
4 was like some big hubbub here about Fleet and
5 Priscilla are going nutso and they are coming
6 over and everybody is afraid of them and
7 da-de-da-de-da.
8 TOM HANEY: So do they come over?
9 PATSY RAMSEY: They came over. I
10 do not see them, but John I think called down or
11 something, Jeff Ramsey said he did not want them
12 staying with them. I think John Ramsey and my
13 dad somehow got them to stay in a hotel or
14 something. There in Montreux (phonetic).
15 Then my dad said, you know, I don't
16 know what day this was, all these days were
17 running together. But then my father said that
18 Priscilla called, I guess they were on their way
19 back to Colorado, she called, my dad had just
20 reamed him out, said that she didn't like what
21 she saw in Atlanta one bit. She thought that
22 everything -- that all our friends were, you
23 know, hoity-toity, rich snobs and blah, blah,
24 blah. I mean, just like crazy things.
25 I mean, you know, here we are
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1 mourning the death of this child, for crying out
2 loud, and she goes off on this cultural
3 ventilation or something. You know, it just
4 didn't, it didn't make sense. And then so I
5 mean my dad -- (INAUDIBLE) -- so way that was
6 kind of a little incident.
7 TOM HANEY: Makes sense.
8 PATSY RAMSEY: And then so I mean
9 my dad is one (INAUDIBLE) so anyway, that was
10 kind of a little incident. But I think some
11 other things happened that I wasn't really privy
12 to. I think John may be more aware of.
13 But then the other time that was
14 really frightening to me is, we had come back to
15 Colorado and John and I were in Father Rol's
16 office, in the church, and my dad was sitting
17 out in the little waiting area. And Father Rol
18 and John and I were praying, and Fleet White
19 burst into the door, burst into the office.
20 And he is just, his eyes are just
21 wild. And you know, I kind of did this number,
22 and he got down on his knees, and looked like --
23 and had a business card in his hand, and he was
24 leaning over to my husband saying, "you know
25 what this is, John, you know what this means,
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1 John, you know what I am going to have to do
2 with this, John, I am going to have to handle
3 this my way, John."
4 I mean he was just on and on and
5 on. And I said, "Fleet, Fleet, what is it?"
6 And he handed me this business card
7 and it was a business card from some journalist
8 or something, and it had a note on the back.
9 And it said, I don't know exactly word for word,
10 but something to the effect of, you know, Mr.
11 White, there has been some question as to
12 whether it was you or John Ramsey who removed
13 the tape from JonBenet's mouth. You know. And
14 about the sequence of the basement discovery.
15 Because we had talking about this.
16 Well, he said they are after me and
17 my family now, John, I am going to have to
18 handle -- and he was just like a maniac and
19 Father Rol said to calm down and you know, he
20 said, "I am going to handle it my way, John, my
21 way, John and you know, Father Rol was just
22 trying to get them to calm down. "It's okay
23 Fleet," you know, "what do you mean by your
24 way?" You know, calm down. You know, it will
25 be okay.
1 So that was just, that just shook
2 me, you know, and then there are just -- you
3 know, may or may not know just kind of
4 subsequent things, like instead of going to the
5 governor in Colorado they went to the governor
6 of Colorado and asked that Hunter be taken off
7 the case or that he was doing a bad job or
8 something, and I mean this is like a year later,
9 you know, and I mean they are still just -- so,
10 I mean, you know, I am trying to say okay,
11 everybody was traumatized, you know. Try to put
12 my shoe on the other foot.
13 If had been Daphne, if I had been
14 there, what would I have done, you know. But I
15 mean, my God, you know, it's my child, and I
16 have been trying to get my family back to some
17 semblance of normalcy. My child in the school
18 and friends and you know. And I don't read
19 newspapers, and I can't watch television,
20 because it you know, value else me and surfaces
21 it all over again. You know, and then to hear
22 these people who are not even related and they
23 are going to the governor and trying to you know
24 I mean just kind of weird to me.
25 Maybe I am reading things into it.
1 I don't know. I can't imagine, you know, that
2 anybody that has children -- you know, when you
3 have children you know what a precious life that
4 is, and you know what a -- you know, I can't
5 imagine that you can do that to another child.
6 I can't -- I can't bring myself to think that
7 they would have actually done this. But
8 somebody did it. You know.
9 And we have been told that it's a
10 lady that knew us, knew we were leaving, knew we
11 were there. The dog wasn't there, knew we
12 didn't use the alarm, you know, so --
13 TOM HANEY: And these were all
14 things that the Whites would have known?
15 PATSY RAMSEY: Yeah.
16 TOM HANEY: So do you suspect
17 Fleet?
18 PATSY RAMSEY: Oh, God, you know, I
19 just -- you know, I -- I guess in a way I look
20 at everybody as a suspect. And with this
21 erratic behavior it sounds pretty freaky to me.
22 Last night we were reading through
23 some paperwork or something, and I don't
24 remember whether somebody interviewed Fleet and
25 it was something that was like, wait a minute,
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1 that's (INAUDIBLE) I mean to -- but he knew --
2 he knew so much detail about the letter. It's
3 just something about, and this has been
4 somebody, I forget who -- I am rambling.
5 Somebody had interviewed Fleet and
6 then had written up a report about their
7 findings and that he seemed to know almost word
8 for word the ransom letter and he commented
9 about how the structure of it was so well tied
10 together. I mean, I have read the ransom
11 letter, I couldn't tell you what the structure
12 was, you know. He seemed like really interested
13 or something. It seemed unusual to me.
14 So I mean, it would be a horrible
15 blow if I do find out that it was somebody that
16 was that close to us. But it was somebody and
17 there is, I guess -- I guess could be anybody.
18 TOM HANEY: What is your current
19 relationship with the Whites?
20 PATSY RAMSEY: We have not -- we
21 have not spoken.
22 TOM HANEY: When is the last time?
23 PATSY RAMSEY: Well I -- when we
24 left town, right in the mild the incident, I
25 remember we were staying with the Stines, Glen
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1 and Susan Stine, Fleet White went in to Glen
2 Stine's office at the university, and leaned
3 across the table, demanding to let the Stines
4 see us. And Glen Stine said Fleet, you know,
5 settle down.
6 TOM HANEY: Fleet wanted the Stines
7 to let them (MULTIPLE SPEAKERS)?
8 PATSY RAMSEY: He was just saying
9 that the Stines were keeping us away from them,
10 which wasn't the case. But he was going there,
11 he went into the vice president of the
12 university and (INAUDIBLE). You know what,
13 irrational behavior.
14 TOM HANEY: Is this--
15 PATSY RAMSEY: So anyway, before I
16 left town, (INAUDIBLE) before I left town I took
17 a little teddy bear up to this kid and left a
18 note, little teddy bear, and left a note, opened
19 a card that said you know, we are leaving town
20 or something, JonBenet loves you and whatever.
21 I don't know.
22 And then subsequently I had written
23 a couple of notes, I found a picture of Daphne,
24 that I sent to her and I think I wrote a note,
25 there was a story, one of the tabloids had their
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1 photographs, said Ramseys accusing best friends
2 or something, please don't believe these
3 horrible stories, you know.
4 But you know, not (INAUDIBLE) the
5 next thing I heard that they were down in the
6 governor's office (INAUDIBLE).
7 TOM HANEY: This behavior that you
8 have talked about with Fleet pounded on the desk
9 and things, is that out of character for him or
10 is he kind of like that?
11 PATSY RAMSEY: I mean as far as I
12 ever saw, because he was, he didn't -- I don't
13 know exactly what he did for a living. He was
14 not working a nine to five job. You know, I
15 think he was in California, had been in the oil
16 kind of business, so he said, but so he was
17 around the house a lot. He took the kids to
18 school. He dressed them. He -- we called him
19 affectionately Mr. Mom and he just said he was
20 taking a couple of years kind of hiatus to
21 figure it out and get something else going.
22 (The video portion of the tape
23 stopped). So he was always just very loving and
24 he was kind of like a lovable giant kind of, you
25 know, big guy, but just very tender and very --
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1 sweet guy, you know. So this, you know,
2 especially that time when he was in Father Rol's
3 office and his eyes were just crazed. I mean I
4 was just staying there going "oh, my God, what
5 has gotten into him."
6 So yes, yes. You know. There is a
7 flicker, you know.
8 TOM HANEY: Prior to the death,
9 what was Fleet's behavior like, especially
10 regarding JonBenet?
11 PATSY RAMSEY: He, I mean, adored
12 our children. You know. They played together a
13 lot. They were at our house, you know, a lot.
14 My children were at their house playing. They
15 had been up to the lake with us, a number of
16 times, for two, three weeks at a time.
17 (The video portion resumed.)
18 PATSY RAMSEY: You know we were I
19 mean --
20 TOM HANEY: Was there anything in
21 this prior behavior that looking back now seems
22 unusual?
23 PATSY RAMSEY: Well, Priscilla was
24 never crazy about me doing this whole pageant
25 with JonBenet, she thought that was just totally
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1 unnecessary, because she said you know, it's
2 just not the thing to do. Well, you know, I had
3 grown up doing it, I enjoyed it, I had a lot of
4 friends who had done it. I had very good
5 experience with it. So that's what I brought to
6 the table. My daughter was a performer, she was
7 beautiful, she was outgoing, and flourished in
8 that type of an environment. Daphne was not.
9 You know.
10 So Priscilla would oftentimes say
11 to me, you know, you just, you shouldn't do
12 that, you know, that's not a good thing to
13 happen.
14 I thought, you know, well, you
15 raise your children the way you do and we don't
16 all raise our children the same. So you know,
17 kind of looking back at that and think, you
18 know, did that really get to her or something.
19 I don't know (INAUDIBLE).
20 TOM HANEY: Was there anything else
21 in either of -- either's behavior prior to the
22 death that you like you said looking back now,
23 outside of the pageant thing?
24 PATSY RAMSEY: No, I mean John said
25 -- he and Fleet sailed together, and they were
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1 taking -- and Fleet has been sailing for years.
2 I mean he sailed big yachts in the Pacific Ocean
3 and da-de-da-de-da, and so John was getting
4 ready for this Mackinaw Island race and he Fleet
5 were going to move our sailboat from Charlevoix
6 to wherever this race was going to be held, I
7 forget where, Chicago or something.
8 Well, they were in the moves and
9 were pulling into a harbor someplace, and had a
10 big wave and somehow the ropes got spun up in
11 the propeller, kicked off the engine, and they
12 were heading for the --
13 TOM HANEY: Dock?
14 PATSY RAMSEY: The wall. The ocean
15 wall or whatever they call that wall.
16 TRIP DeMUTH: The shore?
17 PATSY RAMSEY: The wall, whatever.
18 And he said Fleet -- and Fleet was supposed to
19 be the experienced yachtsman, you know, he said
20 Fleet just panicked, you know. I mean he was
21 just, John said he was really surprised because
22 I mean here is John who is certainly the layman,
23 and he immediately was trying to, you know, turn
24 the thing backwards and trying to get it out or
25 some, you know, but Fleet, he said Fleet just
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1 totally dropped his cool.
2 And long story short, somebody in
3 the yacht club saw them in trouble and the Coast
4 Guard came out and pulled them away from the
5 wall just in time. But John, kind of John's
6 first tip-off that, you know, he wasn't a -- as
7 capable under fire as maybe he would have
8 thought.
9 TOM HANEY: Did they -- did they
10 have words that day over it or was there some
11 problem or just like--
12 PATSY RAMSEY: No. You know, I
13 mean this was one of those stories you talk
14 about over a beer, you know (INAUDIBLE).
15 TOM HANEY: But nothing else?
16 PATSY RAMSEY: No.
17 TOM HANEY: Anything else about the
18 Whites?
19 PATSY RAMSEY: Just I mean, we
20 just, their children were virtually the same
21 age. I just thought we will be life-long
22 friends, because, you know, I enjoyed her, John
23 enjoyed him, the kids had each other. I mean it
24 was just a perfect -- we liked to do a lot of
25 the same things, they seemed to have
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1 discretionary income to be able to go places
2 although in that respect John pointed out that
3 all the yacht races and all that stuff was
4 always on our tab. I didn't really pay
5 attention to who was paying for what, but we
6 would pay for the crew and everybody.
7 I always got the impression that
8 Fleet and Priscilla had either family money or
9 something like that. You know. But John said
10 when it came down to actually, you know,
11 splitting it or splitting the hotel or
12 something, that never really happened. So --
13 TRIP DeMUTH: How long did you know
14 them?
15 PATSY RAMSEY: We met the summer I
16 came back from the lake the first time, so that
17 would have been like September-ish of '94.
18 TRIP DeMUTH: You called Fleet Mr.
19 Mom. Why do you do that?
20 PATSY RAMSEY: Just because he was
21 at home all the time. He took the kids to
22 school and he went to the classroom and he, I
23 mean -- she called him her live-in. Their
24 live-in nanny.
25 TRIP DeMUTH: Did Priscilla work?
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1 PATSY RAMSEY: Uh-uh.
2 TRIP DeMUTH: So was she home most
3 of the time also?
4 PATSY RAMSEY: Yes.
5 TRIP DeMUTH: Who would supervise
6 JonBenet and Burke when they would go over to
7 the Whites' house?
8 PATSY RAMSEY: Both of them.
9 TRIP DeMUTH: Were there any
10 excursions or outings that Fleet White took your
11 children on as well as his children?
12 PATSY RAMSEY: I am sure there
13 probably were.
14 TRIP DeMUTH: Any that you recall?
15 PATSY RAMSEY: Not right off the
16 top of my head. I mean we went biking, out on
17 the bike trails once all together, all of us.
18 TRIP DeMUTH: Would Fleet ever
19 baby-sit the children?
20 PATSY RAMSEY: Well, I knew one
21 time in particular John, we were all up at the
22 lake, up at Charles Lake and John had to fly to
23 New York to do some business, New York City, and
24 Melinda was up there and the Whites. And
25 Priscilla said -- she said, "John is going to
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1 New York, let's go shopping for the day."
2 And I said, "who would keep the
3 kids?"
4 She said, "oh, Fleet can take care
5 of the kids."
6 I said, "oh, you're kidding."
7 She said, "no, come on, it would be
8 really fun, let's just go over there for the
9 day." I said okay.
10 So Melinda and Priscilla and myself
11 and Mike Archuleta and John flew to Manhattan,
12 John did his business there, and Priscilla and
13 Melinda and I and Mike Archuleta shopped around
14 for the day and then we flew back to Charles
15 Lake. When I got home, the house was a
16 disaster.
17 TRIP DeMUTH: How many times, how
18 often would Fleet be the baby-sitter for the
19 kids, that you can remember? Can you give me
20 any idea about that? Seldom, never, often?
21 PATSY RAMSEY: Well, I would say
22 when if my kids were over there, it would not be
23 unusual that he would be the baby-sitter,
24 because she might go running around or whatever
25 and he would sit or vice versa.
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1 TRIP DeMUTH: And how often were
2 your kids over at his home?
3 PATSY RAMSEY: Maybe once a week.
4 We hadn't seen them a whole lot that fall,
5 because our children were going to different
6 schools. And that was a little sticking point
7 with Priscilla.
8 TRIP DeMUTH: How did JonBenet feel
9 about Fleet? Did she ever indicate anything?
10 PATSY RAMSEY: No.
11 TRIP DeMUTH: Seemed fine?
12 PATSY RAMSEY: Uh-hum.
13 TRIP DeMUTH: Thanks, Tom.
14 TOM HANEY: When is the last time
15 you had any contact, personal contact? You said
16 you went to the fair but--
17 PATSY RAMSEY: Probably that
18 episode in Father Rol's office.
19 TOM HANEY: Can you pin that down,
20 approximately when that would have been?
21 Ballpark figure.
22 PATSY RAMSEY: Oh, early '97,
23 February-ish, probably.
August 17:
Fleet White sent another letter to the press, titled "To the people of Colorado"
b]Aug. 17
Former Ramsey friend Fleet White writes a second letter to Gov. Roy Romer, asking for a special prosecutor in the Ramsey case.
08/20/98: Ramsey friend again calls for prosecutor
http://www.bouldernews.com/extra/ram.../620fleet.html
08/20/98: Fleet White's letter
http://www.bouldernews.com/extra/ram...eetletter.html
08/21/98
Phillips wants special prosecutor
http://www.bouldernews.com/extra/ram.../21ramssi.html
Bench Warrant for Contempt of Court
Hearing re-scheduled for Thursday July 19, 2001

Fleet Russell White, Jr, 52 of Boulder, Colorado received a subpeona to testify at the trial attorney Thomas Miller on Wednesday, June 13, 2001. Thomas Miller was charged by a grand jury with commercial bribery for accompanying Globe tabloid editor, Craig Lewis to offer money for the ransom note in the Ramsey case.

Fleet White did not appear for the trial. District Judge Jane Tidball had charged White with contempt of court and issued a bench warrant. A jury acquitted Miller on the bribery charge on Thursday, June 14, 2001, but Judge Tidball said Miller might have appealed a conviction based on White's failure to show up at his trial.

On Monday, June 18, 2001 Fleet White was arrested on contempt of court charges when he showed up at the Jefferson County courthouse to inquire about a warrant that had been issued for him. White was processed into the Jefferson County jail, then released to his wife, Priscilla, who posted the $1,000 bond.

A hearing was re-scheduled for Monday, June 25, 2001 so White could obtain an attorney. White appeared without a lawyer and asked to read a statement,

"I have respect for this court," White began. "In this case, however, I did not have so much respect for this case in which I'd been subpoenaed." He said avoiding testimony in the Miller trial was "in the best interest of the ongoing JonBenet Ramsey investigation, the best interest of the Colorado justice system and, most importantly, the best interests of my family."

Friday, June 29th was Fleet White's hearing extension where he appeared with his lawyer, Craig Truman. A Jefferson County judge formally charged Fleet White with contempt of court after White ignored two subpoenas in a criminal case. A new scheduled hearing was then set for Thursday, July 19, 2001.
August 24:
An additional letter is sent by Fleet White to the press.
In a letter to "the people of Colorado," Fleet White raises questions about Lt. Gov. Gail Schoettler's relationship with John and Patsy Ramsey.
• 08/25/98: Fleet White claims bias in Ramsey case
http://www.bouldernews.com/extra/ram...82598rams.html
• 08/20/98: Fleet White's letter



September 1:
Fleet White wrote letter to Boulder City Council.

December 28
From Peter Boyles Show,
Jeff Rutledge, writer for Penthouse, states that Dan Glick tried to get him to pursue Fleet White as a suspect

1999

PRESUMED GUILTY PUBLISHED
Quotes about Fleet & Priscilla White
http://www.webbsleuths.org/dcforum/D...ID61/2369.html

January 17:
Fleet White wrote a letter to the Board of Regents.
February 26:
Whites call book pack of lies
Daily Camera
http://www.bouldernews.com/extra/ram...9/26crams.html
February 27
Therapist backs client who claims to have JonBenet murder information
SAN LUIS OBISPO, Calif. -- A private therapist said Friday that she stands behind her client who claims to have crucial information to help investigators of the death of JonBenet Ramsey.
Full Story
http://denver.rockymountainnews.com/...227mary2.shtml
March 14
Ramseys: Killer may be familiar with family
Pair urges search of 'inner circle'
John and Patsy Ramsey suggested that police look to their "inner circle" to find their daughter's killer, perhaps someone who was familiar with the family and may be a pedophile, according to transcripts of an interview released Monday.
Full Story
http://denver.rockymountainnews.com/...314jbox2.shtml


2000
May 16J onBenet investigation finds no child sex ring
Police investigating slaying checked out theory put forward by California woman
BOULDER — Police said Monday they have found no evidence to support a California woman's theory that JonBenet Ramsey was killed by a child sex ring.
Full Story
http://denver.rockymountainnews.com/...516rams1.shtml

September 6
Criminal libel being reviewed over Ramsey coverage
Boulder Daily Camera
A Boulder County district judge has appointed a Pueblo prosecutor to review a case that alleges criminal libel by news media covering the unsolved slaying of JonBenet Ramsey.
Full Story
http://denver.rockymountainnews.com/...906spec1.shtml

August 1:
Fleet and Priscilla White file criminal libel suit.

August 10:
Several news organizations and journalists are targets of a Boulder police investigation into whether they criminally libeled Ramsey murder case witness Fleet White. Denver lawyer Tom Kelley, a specialist in libel and other First Amendment issues, said Friday the criminal libel statute has never been used against a news organization or journalist.

Criminal-libel inquiry targets journalists in Ramsey case"
http://denver.rockymountainnews.com/...826libe3.shtml

September 6
Criminal libel being reviewed over Ramsey coverage
http://denver.rockymountainnews.com/...906spec1.shtml


November 19
Fleet & Priscilla White Letter to CU Board of Regents
http://thewebsafe.tripod.com/1117199...ardregents.htm

November 14:
Fleet White wrote a letter to the editor endorsing Dave Sanderson.

2001

April 21:
Fleet White asked the Colorado Court of Appeals to overturn an order that ended an investigation in which he sought criminal charges against journalists who wrote stories mentioning him in the JonBenet Ramsey slaying.

May 5:
Lawyer to stand trial
GOLDEN — A Jefferson County district judge has refused to throw out criminal charges against a Boulder lawyer accused of trying to buy the JonBenét Ramsey ransom note.
http://www.thedailycamera.com/extra/.../05lwhite.html

May 26
Former Ramsey Friend May Be Jailed
http://www.thedenverchannel.com/news/841487/detail.html

June 29:
Former Ramsey friend Fleet White Jr. charged with contempt of court for ignoring two subpoenas in a criminal case related to the JonBenét Ramsey homicide.

Oct. 25:
Former Ramsey friend Fleet White Jr. is sentenced to 30 days in jail for ignoring subpoenas in connection with a case related to the JonBenét Ramsey homicide.

2002

July 4:
Fleet White filed a lawsuit in District Court asking a judge to order the Boulder Police Department to turn over numerous documents related to the investigation. He was seeking documents pertaining to a claim by a California woman that serious crimes had been committed against her when she was a child by Fleet White and members of his family. The Boulder police had dismissed her claims.
November 21
Part of JonBenet Ramsey file made available to public
http://www.longmontfyi.com/ramsey/st...il02.asp?ID=35

2003

April 16:
Fleet White filed a motion claiming that Mary Keenan failed to prosecute whoever leaked information from grand jury proceedings in the summer of 1999.

April 21:
Fleet White asked Gov. Bill Owens to assign a special prosecutor to the JonBenet Ramsey murder and remove Mary Keenan from her position as Boulder County District Attorney. The governor said he would stand by a commission's findings in 1999 that recommended against a special prosecutor.

May 2:
Fleet White filed another suit demanding that a hearing be held ordering Jefferson County District Attorney Dave Thomas to explain why he failed to prosecute Globe tabloid reporter Craig Lewis.

May 16
White turns his focus to Keenan
http://www.longmontfyi.com/ramsey/st...il03.asp?ID=28

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  From Steve Thomas' notes
Posted by: jameson245 - 02-18-2017, 11:28 AM - Forum: December 26th - Replies (14)

The things I am posting now come from a copy of Steve Thomas' notes that he had put in a sort of timeline.  I will just concern myself with the 26th of December in this thread.  Using other sources, I hope posters will help make this a complete account of that day, things reported.  After we can weed out the things that clearly were bits of misinformation - - clear out some myths, point out what may have been misreported because the author wanted to push a certain point of view.

Again, posters are encouraged to add information and/or discuss what is posted.  The pages I have are clearly marked ST0000 then the page number - I will attribute each notation to his report.

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  from Steve Thomas' notes
Posted by: jameson245 - 02-18-2017, 09:04 AM - Forum: Fleet and Priscilla White - No Replies

Within approximately 10-15 minutes of his arrival, Fleet White searched the basement of the Ramsey residence.  He noticed the lights were on, saw the broken window in the train room and looked for broken glass  and found a small piece of glass.  

The latch on the window was in the unlocked position and his impression was that the window was closed.  He looked in the wine cellar but could not see anything and went back upstairs.






What is written above is EXACTLY what Thomas had in his notes (time line printed out 6/23/1997)

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