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  banshee squeals
Posted by: jameson245 - 08-15-2018, 05:57 AM - Forum: just BORG hate - No Replies

from Scholars and Rogues

The laying down of that narrative seemed to happen in barely a moment as the whole world just “knew,” the child had been killed by her parents, that “bastard billionaire, John Ramsey,” and the “white trash with cash, Patsy Ramsey, oh God how I hate that woman.” These were the mantras, the banshee squeals around the case that echoed across not just the United States but the whole world. I lost count of the number of times I had people screaming at me, frothing at the mouth, when I even dared to question their certainty of parental guilt. What was really fascinating was that when I asked how come they were so certain, so knowing, the reply was often along the lines of either repeating the media stories but, more often, commenting that they “looked guilty,” or “ it’s a gut feeling.”

I have searched long and hard in the Constitution and in law manuals and have yet to find the proposition that, if accused of a crime, I have a right to be judged by a jury of my peers’ guts

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  banshee squeals
Posted by: jameson245 - 08-15-2018, 05:57 AM - Forum: just BORG hate - No Replies

from Scholars and Rogues

The laying down of that narrative seemed to happen in barely a moment as the whole world just “knew,” the child had been killed by her parents, that “bastard billionaire, John Ramsey,” and the “white trash with cash, Patsy Ramsey, oh God how I hate that woman.” These were the mantras, the banshee squeals around the case that echoed across not just the United States but the whole world. I lost count of the number of times I had people screaming at me, frothing at the mouth, when I even dared to question their certainty of parental guilt. What was really fascinating was that when I asked how come they were so certain, so knowing, the reply was often along the lines of either repeating the media stories but, more often, commenting that they “looked guilty,” or “ it’s a gut feeling.”

I have searched long and hard in the Constitution and in law manuals and have yet to find the proposition that, if accused of a crime, I have a right to be judged by a jury of my peers’ guts

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  the prayer - Rutherford
Posted by: jameson245 - 08-12-2018, 08:42 AM - Forum: Answering BORG questions - No Replies

someone named Rutherford (I think) wrote about her "red flag" and I want to comment on that.

She wrote:

The Red flag to me was the prayer that Patsy Ramsey said she said over JonBenet as she tucked her in bed on December 25th. (She said this in I believe a CBS interview part one. I am unable to find it on the net, but a clip of it was shown on the A&E show titled, The killing of JonBenet: The truth uncovered. It is about the 11th minute of the show). The prayer, now I lay me down to sleep, I pray the Lord my soul to keep...etc. Whether she said it out loud or in her head it just didn't happen. JonBenet was asleep and so Patsy all alone in the dark said basically a nursery rhyme to God. I am a Christian and so are the Ramseys. God knows who you are when you are alone and you cant be fake with God. It was 9 or 10 at night, getting up at 530, any prayer said in that situation is thankfulness or a problem you need to talk about or numerous other things. OR, not at all, just get the kids in bed. Then to further compound the unlikeliness of that prayer is the fact that she used it as a point of irony in a T.V. interview.

I want to say I was really surprised to see this being a red flag for anyone.  I can picture Patsy saying it out loud as she pulled the covers up - it would not be out of character at all.  Patsy wasn't praying to God because she was under stress or worried about anything - it wasn't a serious PRAYER prayer - it was more of their regular routine being followed even though JonBenet was not saying it with her.

Your last sentence makes no sense - when she said that little prayer over her sleeping child, she had no idea she was going to lose her daughter and talk about that night in some interview.  There is no irony there compounding the unlikeliness of anything.

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  Christopher Enoch Abeyta
Posted by: jameson245 - 08-11-2018, 02:57 PM - Forum: Colorado crimes - No Replies

Christopher Enoch Abeyta
Case Type: MISSING
Case Status: OPEN
Aliases: None
Incident Date: 07/15/1986
Agency: Colorado Springs Police Department
Age: 1
Gender: MALE
Race: Caucasian
Eyes: Blue
Hair: Blond/Strawberry
Height: 2' 2"
Weight: 22 lbs

About this case
On July 15, 1986, seven month old Christopher was taken from his parents' bedroom in the middle of the night. The investigation found the home garage door opener was missing and their basement window was open. Foul play is suspected.

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  SuperDave Quotes
Posted by: jameson245 - 08-10-2018, 07:39 AM - Forum: Absolutely insane posts - mostly by BORG - No Replies

"I'm loathe to speak ill of the dead, but someone has to set the record straight: Ollie Gray did not "investigate" this case in any meaningful way. "

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  Found on Facebook
Posted by: jameson245 - 07-30-2018, 06:31 PM - Forum: Found on other forums - No Replies

[/url]This guy seems pretty smart - and may not last long on the Facebook forums that don't seem to care if lies stand unchallenged.
[url=https://www.facebook.com/tom.gavin.988?fref=gs&dti=1731600583761248&hc_location=group]


Tom Gavin
New Member · July 25 at 11:13 PM


Bob Russell, Former District Attorney in Colorado Springs:
"The evidence was too strong that the Ramseys didn't do this. And so, to see that anybody's trying to really get the Ramsey's indicted, when I had already seen the evidence that showed he Ramseys most certainly didn't do it, it really bothered me...even though I've been a Prosecutor all my life."
After Lou Smit was allowed to keep his evidence, that pointed to an Intruder (The Boulder Special Prosecutoe Michael Kane sought an injunction against Lou Smit and his evidence) the Grand Jury still heard evidence dominated by the Police view of Ramsey guilt.
Former Public Defender Greg Walta in 1998:
"I think the case is in deep trouble. And I think it's in deep trouble because the Boulder Police Dept. has really staked its reputation on the Ramseys being guilty. and once that's happened, that Police Dept. can no longer perform its' chief function. And I think the Boulder PD is virtually incapable of solving this case."
And he was right. Here we are 20 yrs later. Case has been unsolved and virtually frozen. And 20 yrs later, Walta states that JonBenet's killer is one of the "scariest people on earth." Totally convinced of Ramsey innocence.
As is one of the first Detectives on the scene, Robert Whitson. He also believes the family is innocent. He WAS IN THE HOUSE with the family the morning of the 26th.
"I was not part of the ongoing investigation, but Detectives that were working the case told me the Ramseys were the ONLY prime suspects." Imagine that[Image: 1f644.png]?
He is now a Criminologist and says he understands now why the Boulder PD focused on the Ramsey's....which they most certainly did, despite what misinformation you hear on these boards. "The Boulder PD formed a Groupthink mentality. Everybody has to think the same thing and anybody who disagrees with that primary hypothesis is excluded from the group."
But what happened in Boulder happens in many cases. A rush to judgment...to blame the parents. There is leaking of information, a public sentiment that the parents must have had something to do with it.
John Ramsey says it best: "We absolutely felt we were the victim of a lynch mob, led by the Boulder Police and supported by the media." (and further strengthened by an often harsh and judgmental public).

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  responding to thetalko.com article
Posted by: jameson245 - 07-30-2018, 04:33 PM - Forum: Answering BORG questions - Replies (16)

16 Things The Ramsey's Don't Want You To Know About JonBenet's Murder

In this article, we’ll take you to the fifteen eeriest things the Ramsey’s don’t want you to know about this age old homicide.

The murder of six-year-old blonde beauty queen JonBenet Ramsey has been the fixation of macabre fascination since the case broke in 1996. You can’t write stuff like this, the day after Christmas in a mansion in Boulder, Colorado there lay little JonBenet Ramsey bludgeoned and strangled under a white sheet in her basement. The case was a media frenzy from the day it broke, however, nearly 21 years later the case remains cold with no signs of heating up. The police had several suspects over the years, including a creepy Santa Clause and a teacher named John Mark Carr who confessed he was there when JonBenet died. However salacious these claims may be, the police never found evidence that could link any suspects definitively to the little girl’s untimely death. However, John, Patsy and Burke Ramsey remained under a cloud of suspicion for the alleged involvement in their daughter and sister’s murder. In this article, we’ll take you to the fifteen eeriest things the Ramsey’s don’t want you to know about this age old homicide.


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I will forgive the author not taking the time to correctly print "JonBenét", but she should have been able to correctly spell Santa Claus and John Mark KARR.

I am going to respond to each point  - one at a time.  Eerie?  Not sure that is a proper description of the "things" - - but the Ramseys have never tried to hide any facts related to this murder.  They always hoped for the facts to be known in order to SOLVE this mystery.

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  Court dates
Posted by: jameson245 - 07-23-2018, 02:18 PM - Forum: John Ramsey sues CBS - No Replies

Ramsey, John v CBS Corporation , et al.

Register of Actions

Case No. 17-013731-CZ

02/04/2019
Case Evaluation - General Civil

03/20/2019
Settlement Conference (9:00 AM) (Judicial Officer Groner, David A.)


08/02/2018
Reset by Court to 03/20/2019

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  a short interview with Forman and Clemente
Posted by: jameson245 - 07-11-2018, 02:31 PM - Forum: Burke sues CBS for 750 million - Replies (2)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j6rkPoCHgl4

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  the chosen few
Posted by: jameson245 - 07-06-2018, 06:23 PM - Forum: To view the full forum - No Replies

Many registered and never posted.  Many registered and seldom signed in.  I deleted almost everyone and don't mind that the site is used mostly for fact-checking on those threads that are still public.

Seems those posters remaining prefer the drama found on facebook.  I am not there and find I don't miss the daily opportunity to hit my head on the BORGbrick walls found there.

Life takes funny turns.  I had to be away from the daily Ramsey feud in order to take care of elderly relatives.  I no longer have that responsibility and so find I have time to go back to the Ramsey case, to the Webbsleuths forum where the facts matter and drama does not.  I hope to be here more, to have more time to push LE to solve this.

To the few who read here and care about justice, I hope to see you post more.   It's been a long time and hopefully some with abilities beyond my own will join forces with us to move the case forward.

jameson

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