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  Cina Wong
Posted by: jameson245 - 03-29-2017, 04:27 PM - Forum: Discredited and discounted witnesses in this case - Replies (7)

from Federal Judge Julie Carnes

Plaintiff, however, asserts that his retained experts believe Mrs. Ramsey to be the author of the Ransom Note. Indeed, Gideon Epstein and Cina Wong, the handwriting experts proffered by plaintiff, opine that they are "100 percent certain" Mrs. Ramsey wrote the Ransom Note. (SMF ¶ 256; PSMF ¶ 256; PSDMF ¶¶ 1-2.) In contrast to the experts relied upon by defendants and by the Boulder Police Department, however, neither of these experts have ever seen or examined the original Ransom Note. (SMF ¶ 256; PSMF ¶ 256.) In fact, Mr. Epstein and Ms. Wong do not know what "generation" copy of the Ransom Note they examined. (SMF ¶ 257; PSMF ¶ 257.) Ms. Wong received her copy of the Ransom Note and certain writings alleged to be historical writings of Mrs. Ramsey from the tabloid, The National Enquirer. (SMF ¶ 258; PSMF ¶ 258.)

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  Tom Miller
Posted by: jameson245 - 03-29-2017, 04:11 PM - Forum: Discredited and discounted witnesses in this case - Replies (4)

handwriting expert.

first his affidavit





THOMAS C. MILLER, being duly sworn, deposes and states:

I am a forensic document examiner, commonly referred to as a questioned document examiner or handwriting expert.

I am a Colorado Court-certified examiner with eleven years experience examining questioned documents.

I have been admitted by the Colorado courts as an expert witness in connection with questioned documents and handwriting analysis. I have given testimony in courts of law as a handwriting expert, and I have been qualified to testify.

I have offices located in Denver, Colorado, and I am admitted to practice law before the courts in Colorado as an attorney at law.

I have made a careful comparison and examination of the "ransom" note and the exemplars of Patsy Ramsey and I have reached the opinion that the handwritings are probably the same.

Based upon the exemplars available, the handwriting of the "ransom" note and that of Patsy Ramsey have numerous and significant areas of comparison.

Among the most telling areas of comparison are the shape, size, slant, continuity, arrangement and baseline of the "ransom" note and Patsy Ramsey's exemplars.

Attached to this affidavit is a complete report of my findings and conclusions.

This affidavit and the handwriting report attached hereto represent an analysis based upon exemplars believed to be in the hand of Patsy Ramsey. In the absence of original documents, speed and pressure in the handwriting cannot be adequately analyzed. It should be noted that the taking of verified exemplars from Patsy Ramsey was not available to the affiant. It is highly recommended that additional exemplars be provided or located and that access to the original "ransom" note be provided in order to more firmly establish the conclusions of this affidavit and report.

However, given the many categories and significant and numerous areas of comparison between the "ransom" note and Patsy Ramsey's handwriting, it is my opinion that Patsy Ramsey wrote the "ransom" note.

DATED: November 12, 1997.

(Signature of Thomas Miller)


Sworn to and subscribed before me on November 12, 1997, in Denver, Colorado.

(Signature of Notary)

My Commission Expires March 2, 1999

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  Why some feel the need to hate Patsy
Posted by: jameson245 - 03-29-2017, 10:31 AM - Forum: BORG theories and BORG people of note - Replies (12)

CRIME BRIEFS: Mother accused of abandonment
December 22, 2011
A 28-year-old mother who has been wanted for nearly four months was arrested and charged with reckless endangerment Dec. 13 for failing to pick up her newborn child from the Tennessee Department of Children Services.
After Nicole L. Gilley, of Brush Creek, and her newborn, who was born Aug. 24, tested positive for narcotics, DCS officials opened an investigation into the matter, according to a Murfreesboro Police Department arrest report filed by Detective Tommy Roberts.
When Gilley and the baby were discharged from the hospital two days later, she agreed to meet an investigator at the DCS office but insisted on having the investigator transport the baby to the office because she did not have a child safety seat. However, she never arrived.
Gilley was held on a $2,500 bond at the Rutherford County Adult Detention Center.

There is a woman in a BORG forum that has a similar name - Nikki Gilly - and I just wonder if they are one and the same.  If so, perhaps that explains why this particular posters seems to love being BORG, part of a gang.  Could be her own lack of parenting skills, her lack of motherly love for her child.  Could be the narcotics.  I really don't know.  But I do wonder.

Nikki - is this you?  Do your friends know?  There

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  message from Jan
Posted by: jameson245 - 03-29-2017, 08:57 AM - Forum: GO FUND ME - a way anyone can help - Replies (7)

Jan posted this on the Internet and has given me permission to post it here.  Please carry it to other forums where it might help the fund grow.

Hello friends,
Susan Bennett (AKA Jameson) is a private individual who has worked on the case of JonBenet' for 20 years.  She has worked tirelessly, at personal sacrifice for the cause of truth and justice for JonBenet' and her family.

We believe Jameson and other investigators are closing in on a few viable suspects - perhaps a ring of criminals.  With recent DNA developments, several expensive tests must be run with a forensic lab.  If you'd be interested in helping solve this case please contribute to  the Go Fund Me fundraising website.  The funds will be used for DNA testing as well as a reward fund.

Further and more importantly, I am declaring Tuesday a day of prayer for this case.  Please join with us in appealing to God, that in His good time and according to His pleasure, the  killer will be revealed so that this case may be resolved.

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  John flew the family to Atlanta
Posted by: jameson245 - 03-28-2017, 03:02 PM - Forum: Disproving Myths - No Replies

Charlie Brennan reported in the Rocky Mountain News that John had been the pilot when the family traveled to Atlanta to bury JonBenet.

He was wrong and later admitted that.

"No reporter ever likes making a mistake, and I regret that it was made.  It was based on a source, and yet that's one, not two, whose information had been highly reliable in the past, and I had every reason to have faith that the information was accurate in this case, and that's regrettable."

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  email - with addressses
Posted by: jameson245 - 03-28-2017, 02:37 PM - Forum: Absolutely insane posts - mostly by BORG - Replies (8)

I get email from time to time that -- well, what can you do but roll your eyes and delete?  I decided to share some here.  I fully intend to include the email addresses of those feeling a need to email me with this garbage.  I will not respond from my email account but may here.  Just for your education.(not)

[Image: space.gif]Charlene White charlenewhite0825@hotmail.com[Image: space.gif]
[Image: space.gif]jameson245 jameson245@aol.com


I have no idea why someone would start a gofundme for this poor girl, nor why you felt the need to use false information, the fact is her father killed her to cover up his sexual molestation, it is NO secret, just how his other daughter happened to die because she started having repressed memories of "daddy", the paint brush? Good cover up to yield prior abuse to his daughter! I mean when her mother wants a full pelvic exam and she died what, 8 days later, with her dads shirt fibers on her? YEAH it was an "intruder" I think it is disgusting how he got away with it, and the whole cancer thing!? Classic!! There was NO intruder, NO "accident" etc... Just a father shutting up his kid before her pelvic exam that would reveal the TRUTH about what was going on! 

(Is this what the BORG are peddling now?  How sick - how wrong.)

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  BPD quotes from Woodward book
Posted by: jameson245 - 03-28-2017, 01:12 PM - Forum: December 27th, 1996 - Replies (1)

These are listed in Woodward's book on page 161 - each has the BPD report number noted there - I am just interested in showing the quotes to show how the police were monitoring suspects, not victims.

12:05 - Both John and Patsy get Valium

12;20 - John and Patsy Ramsey fall asleep on the living room floor.

1:50 - Patsy gets up and asks if someone is with her son, Burke.  She also asks for more pills and says, "I just want to stay asleep."  She also asks if all the doors and windows are locked.  She is drowsy and drugged.

2:00 - Patsy gets up to go to the bathroom.  She is drowsy and dazed.  Sobs every once in a while.  At times needs to be supported. 

2:35 - Patsy Ramsey goes back to bed.

2:40 - John Ramsey gets up and asks for 2 pills and walks around crying.

2:45 - John Ramsey goes back to bed.

2:50 - John Ramsey is back up, crying and sobbing at times.

3:50 - The police officer's report ends when he is relieved by another officer.

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  newspaper stories, etc
Posted by: jameson245 - 03-28-2017, 12:34 PM - Forum: Prior sexual abuse - No Replies

Ramsey doctors: No history of abuse
Camera Staff Writer
March 16, 1997
JonBenet Ramsey's family has provided the district attorney a psychiatrist's videotaped interview with the girl's 10-year-old brother, a pediatrician's records and other information that they contend indicates the family has no history of sexual abuse, a source says.
The family has made Burke Ramsey's interview with the psychiatrist - who was selected by the Boulder County Department of Social Services - and all of JonBenet's medical records available to the prosecutor. They also allowed pediatrician Dr. Francesco Beuf and his nurses to speak with investigators.
"Police could not have obtained those things on their own, because they don't have subpoena power," said a source. "All that was completely voluntary on the part of the family."
The Ramseys' investigators also have conducted exhaustive interviews with family members, friends and people from deep in the past of JonBenet's mother, Patsy. But thus far, they have failed to turn up any evidence of past abuse of the murdered 6-year-old or her mother, the source said.
Police have been similarly stymied, according to sources.
Neither police nor District Attorney Alex Hunter would comment on what information the family has provided or the status of the investigation regarding past sexual abuse of JonBenet. Some close to the Ramseys say they were asked about abuse during police questioning. John and Patsy Ramsey have not yet agreed to be interviewed by police.
JonBenet's body was discovered in the basement of her family's University Hill home by John Ramsey and a friend on Dec. 26, about eight hours after her mother found a three-page ransom note demanding $118,000 for the girl's safe return. A coroner's examination found that she had been struck on the head, strangled with a cord and sexually assaulted before she died.
Police still have not named any suspects in the case, but two weeks ago ruled out John Ramsey's two children by a previous marriage, John Andrew Ramsey, 20, and Melinda Ramsey, 26.
The taped interview of Burke Ramsey demonstrates that the boy has not been molested and is unaware of any abuse of his sister, a source said. In addition, records from Beuf show no indication of abuse, the source said.
Investigators have invested hundreds of hours pursuing the sexual abuse angle, scouring the nation for any evidence that JonBenet, her two half-sisters - Melinda and Elizabeth, 22, who was killed in a 1992 car accident - or Patsy Ramsey were ever molested.
They've gone so far as to query reporters about what they know and exhumed a 5-year-old autopsy report on Elizabeth. (Police have since said Elizabeth's death has no implications in the JonBenet case.)
Besides the more obvious ramifications of possible past sexual abuse of JonBenet, investigators have tried to determine whether Patsy may have been abused in the past. Some have theorized that such a history could have created a psychological complex allowing her to deny the abuse of her daughter, or even to pen a false ransom note.
Two groups of handwriting experts, one from the Colorado Bureau of Investigation and the other hired by the Ramsey family, have concluded that John Ramsey did not write a ransom note found in the case, but that they cannot exclude the possibility that Patsy Ramsey did. Investigators for the family, however, called that possibility "highly unlikely."
While a coroner's report found JonBenet had been sexually assaulted before she was killed, "experts" have differed widely as to whether the evidence supports previous or chronic abuse. The coroner's report found "chronic inflammation and epithelial erosion" in the girl's vagina, leading Dr. Cyril Wecht, coroner of Allegheny County, Pa., to conclude that there was abuse at least two days before her death.
But others say anyone who hasn't examined the actual tissue couldn't reach a reliable conclusion.
"Poor hygiene can cause chronic inflammation," Dr. Joan Slook, a pediatrician with the Baylor College of Medicine in Houston, told the Daily Camera. "Some little girls can have asymptomatic bladder infections that can cause irritation in the vagina."
At the same time, other experts caution that sexual abuse of young children does not necessarily leave evidence easily detected in routine pediatric examinations. The abuse could consist of oral or manual contact, or the perpetrator may convince or force the child to touch his or her genitals instead.
JonBenet's vagina was not penetrated, sources say, but there were "bruises" or marks in her genital area.
"Signs of physical abuse are pretty obvious when you see bruises or fractures or abrasions," said Dr. Richard Krugman, dean of the University of Colorado Medical School in Denver and former director of the Kempe National Center for the Prevention and Treatment of Child Abuse and Neglect. But "children can be sexually abused and have perfectly normal exams."
Far more important in determining a history of abuse are the child's statements, followed by his or her demeanor and behavior, experts say.
That's why Ramsey family representatives think the videotape of Burke Ramsey is significant: The interview clearly shows that the boy has not been abused and that he has no knowledge of any unusual problems with his sister, a source said. He also is full of praise and love for his parents, said the source.
"If you ask if perpetrators of sexual abuse are likely to abuse only same-sex or opposite sex children, some are and some aren't," Krugman said. "Some will sexually abuse all children."
Siblings and parents may well be aware that abuse of a child is occurring, he said, "but not always."


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  CBI noted in BPD report
Posted by: jameson245 - 03-28-2017, 12:30 PM - Forum: Stun Gun - Replies (1)

BPD report #26-58

"Sue Ketchum of the CBI is shown the photos of the marks and she indicated that they could very well be made from a stun gun."

That was in the Paula Woodward book.  I don't think she would misquote a police report but wish she had shared the date for that piece of information.  On the same page in that book (148) she talks about Kolar and his theory that the marks were left by the end of a piece of toy railroad track.  She says the DA, Mary Lacy, "discounted the information".

I have an issue with Paula not using names.   Kolar was being discounted or discredited time and time again - - in his own book he includes a letter from Lacy saying he is not honest about the evidence.  But in  this book, by not including his name, Paula really is not saving herself from a lawsuit - - she is, IMO, protecting certain people.  My theory is she REALLY doesn't want to burn bridges and hopes not using names will give her some advantage  if she wants to speak to these people later on.

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  or Twilight Zone
Posted by: jameson245 - 03-27-2017, 05:16 PM - Forum: Absolutely insane posts - mostly by BORG - No Replies

It has been suggested that Burke was gone the next morning as well - - replaced by some alien form.. That theory has the aliens taking both kids to the basement, accidentally killing JonBenet when she wouldn't cooperate.  Burke saw that and cooperated - his replacement got a good home and THAT is what we saw on Dr. Phil.

Yep, there are loons out there with all kinds of theories.

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