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  October-November 2018
Posted by: jameson245 - 10-26-2018, 10:09 AM - Forum: Burke sues CBS for 750 million - Replies (1)

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A 1996 Christmas photo of Burke and JonBenét Ramsey taken shortly before the girl's death.


JonBenét Ramsey Family Attorney on Ex-Boulder DA's Subpoena in CBS Suit

Michael Roberts | October 25, 2018 | 6:39am


The lawyer for Burke Ramsey, brother of JonBenét Ramsey, who was murdered in Boulder on Christmas Day 1996, believes that a subpoena issued for former Boulder District Attorney Alex Hunter won't do anything to exonerate CBS in a $750 million lawsuit filed by Burke in December 2016.
To the contrary, Atlanta-based attorney Lin Wood thinks that Hunter's deposition would only undermine the assertion in the CBS program The Case of: JonBenét Ramsey that Burke killed his sister when he was nine and she was six, which he characterizes as both defamatory and utterly unsupported by facts.
"I believe Mr. Hunter was professionally and personally outraged by tabloid accusations made against Burke in 1999 while he was the district attorney," Wood notes in a Q&A below, "and I expect that he is equally outraged by the accusations made against this young man by CBS."
News of the subpoena broke in the Boulder Daily Camera, which reported that the former DA, who retired from the office in 2001 and is now 81 years old, is fighting the subpoena on multiple fronts. He's said to consider the demand that he offer his thoughts "an 'annoyance' that would interfere with his annual relocation to Hawaii," but also maintains that cooperating would "compromise an 'open investigation and potential prosecution' of the person or persons responsible for JonBenét's death."
[Image: dr.werner.spitz.two.youtube.jpg]Dr. Werner Spitz, left, watches as a child is called upon to act out a theory of how Burke Ramsey could have killed his sister, JonBenét, from the CBS program The Case of: JonBenét Ramsey.

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The Case of: JonBenét Ramsey aired in September 2016. The next month, Wood filed a $150 million suit against Dr. Werner Spitz, a Michigan-based forensic pathologist who theorized on the show that Burke had killed JonBenét with a blow to the head. And in October 2017, Wood hit CBS with a $350 million demand on behalf of Burke's father, John Ramsey. Patsy Ramsey, wife of John and mother to JonBenét and Burke, died of cancer in 2004.
"CBS perpetrated a fraud upon the public," according to the John Ramsey suit. "Instead of being a documentary based on a new and legitimate investigation by a team of qualified and unbiased experts, The Case of: JonBenét Ramsey was a fictional crime show based primarily on a preconceived storyline scripted in the self-published and commercially unsuccessful book Foreign Faction...self-published in 2012."
Another section of the suit maintains that "Defendants’ accusation that John covered-up that Burke killed JonBenét was not based on a complete investigation revealing truthful facts, new witnesses, new evidence or new theories. Instead, Defendants consciously built their Documentary on an illegitimate and unfounded investigation, false and omitted facts, old witnesses, old evidence and old theories."
CBS moved for the lawsuits to be tossed, but in January, Judge David Groner allowed each to move forward. Hence the network's subpoena for Hunter, who, the Camera notes, "signed an affidavit in October 2000, shortly before leaving office, which stated in part, 'From December 26th, 1996, to the date of this affidavit, no evidence has ever been developed in the investigation to justify elevating Burke Ramsey's status from that of witness to suspect.'"
[Image: alex.hunter.file.photo.jpg]Alex Hunter during his days as the district attorney for Boulder County.

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This position leaves Wood wondering why CBS would have such an interest in having Hunter weigh in, as he makes clear in the following Q&A, conducted via email.
Westword: Why do you think Alex Hunter has been subpoenaed in relation to the lawsuit?
Lin Wood: CBS issued the subpoena, so only CBS can state why the subpoena was issued to Mr. Hunter. The CBS documentary concluded that Burke Ramsey killed his sister based on CBS’ representation that a full re-investigation of the evidence had been undertaken by its team of "experts." In his libel lawsuit, Burke challenges not only the accusation, but also the legitimacy of this alleged "re-investigation."
CBS has apparently realized that the evidence relied upon by its "experts" does not support the accusation against Burke. The recent discovery efforts aimed at Boulder officials, including Mr. Hunter, confirm that CBS is still searching for evidence to support its false and defamatory accusation against Burke. Stated differently, if CBS had enough evidence to support its accusation being broadcast to the world in its 2016 documentary, why in the world is CBS searching for more evidence in 2019?
The answer is obvious — the 2016 documentary was rank speculation unsupported by any credible evidence and CBS knows it. CBS is in search of a defense it will never find.
Why is it important that Alex Hunter cooperate with the subpoena?
Mr. Hunter is a third party to this litigation and has the right to question whether there is a legitimate need for his testimony and/or whether the subpoena imposes unnecessary trouble and expense. I do not view Mr. Hunter’s motion to quash as being based solely on inconvenience to him or as an effort on his part to be uncooperative. CBS has the burden of convincing the Court that there is a legitimate need for discovery from Mr. Hunter.
[Image: burke.ramsey.youtube.jpg]Burke Ramsey during a 2016 interview on the Dr. Phil program.

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What information do you believe Alex Hunter has that pertains to the lawsuit?
Based on his May, 1999, press statement and his October 2000 sworn affidavit (executed one year after the end of the grand jury investigation), which cleared Burke of any suspicion based on the actual evidence, I am confident that the only information Mr. Hunter could offer in this case would support Burke’s case against CBS. Accusing Burke of killing his sister while ignoring the statements of former District Attorney Hunter and other knowledgeable Boulder law enforcement officials was the height of recklessness on the part of CBS.
How would you characterize Alex Hunter's role in the investigation into the murder of JonBenét Ramsey?
As the Boulder District Attorney at the time of the murder until his retirement, Mr. Hunter was the public official with final authority over the investigation and decisions as to whether the evidence supported criminal charges being filed against any individual. I believe Mr. Hunter was professionally and personally outraged by tabloid accusations made against Burke in 1999 while he was the District Attorney and I expect that he is equally outraged by the accusations made against this young man by CBS.
What is the current status of the lawsuit, and can you provide a general timeline of what will happen next?
The parties are in the final stages of document production and are also actively taking depositions. Discovery will likely be complete by mid-2019. I expect CBS will thereafter follow standard media defense strategy by filing a motion for summary judgment. I am confident that such a motion will be unsuccessful and the case will move to a jury trial in late 2019 or early 2020.




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  found on TOPIX
Posted by: jameson245 - 10-25-2018, 08:55 PM - Forum: Found on other forums - No Replies

Dedred
 
The simple truth. They didn't know about the Pineapple until an open can was found on the cellar floor. And being in the criminal state of mind concocted an alibi and gave life to a seemingless meaningless item

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  from another state 1961
Posted by: jameson245 - 10-25-2018, 07:50 PM - Forum: Colorado crimes - No Replies

Anne Marie Burr - Abducted by a Serial Killer?

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Anne Marie Burr, aged 8, disappeared from her Tacoma, Washington home on August 31st, 1961.



[b]Timeline of Events[/b]
[i]A week before August 31st[/i]
Neighbors report seeing someone looking through windows of houses in the Burr's neighborhood. No one is able to give a good description of the "Peeping Tom".
[i]August 31st[/i]
Evening/Nighttime: Burr children and parents go to bed. One sister and two brothers went to the basement where their rooms were, Ann Marie and her younger sister went to their bedroom, the parents to theirs.
Middle of the Night: Anne Marie's younger sister begins to cry because the cast on her broken arm is bothering her. Ann Marie takes her sister into her parents' bedroom where they are both told to go back to bed.
Later: Parents awake to their dog barking, but assume it's because of the rainstorms that had been coming through the area and go back to sleep. The other children report not waking at all during the night.
[i]September 1st[/i]
5:30AM Anne Marie's Mother goes to check on her daughters and notices Ann Marie is not in bed. She begins to look around the house and sees that their front door which had been locked the previous night was now open and unlocked. Their living room window which was always open an inch or two was open wider. The family calls the police and continues searching the house for Ann Marie.
Sometime later that morning: The Police arrive and immediately launch an abduction investigation. Upon further inspection to the opened living room window they see that someone had pushed a garden bench under the window. There was also a footprint left from a Men's Keds sneaker, size 6 or 7. The police surmise this was made by a young adult male, or a small adult male. A red fiber was also found attached to the window sill, but nothing ever came of it.
Police investigated several sex offenders in the neighborhood but nothing was ever found, no new evidence surfaced, and no trace of Ann Marie was ever seen again.



Despite an exhaustive search and heavy questioning of the neighborhood no trace was ever found of Ann Marie's killer and her case grew cold. In the late 70's her case was given renewed interest when a man named Ted Bundy stood trial for the kidnapping, rape, and murders of women across the county.
I'm not going to hash out too much of Ted Bundy's history here; I will include links at the bottom if you don't know who he is or want to brush up on the finer points.
The reason for the renewed interest with the Bundy trials was because of the coincidental connections between him and Ann Marie;
  • In the 60's Ted Bundy and his mother were living with his great-uncle, Jack Cromwell, who happened to be Ann Marie's piano teacher.
  • They lived in close proximity to each other.
  • Relatives have stated that Ann Marie and Ted Bundy were friendly with each other and she knew he was the nephew of her piano teacher. As far as they know she wouldn't have had any reason to fear him.
  • Ted Bundy would have been 15 at the time of Ann Marie's disappearance, and would match the profile for the size shoe print found outside the window.
  • Bundy already had a record for wandering around late at night, and as an adult admitted to voyeurism (peeping through windows).
  • Ted Bundy had a paper route that included the Burr residence.
  • The street in front of the Burr home was being torn up for repaving the night she disappeared only to be covered with dirt and asphalt the next day. According to Burr's father the morning of her disappearance Ted Bundy was hanging around the construction site.
  • The true amount of women Ted Bundy killed is questionable. We know as his execution date drew nearer he started to hint about other murders, and give out some answers but he always refused to talk about Ann Marie Burr or would deny involvement. There is some speculation that Ted Bundy was ashamed at some of his murders, particularly ones of younger females such as 12yr old Kimberly Leach who he never admitted to but had evidence linking him as the killer.

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  Troy Cowen
Posted by: jameson245 - 10-25-2018, 03:34 PM - Forum: Misinformation found elsewhere, not BORG but wrong - Replies (2)

He is BORG - more than that, he accuses BURKE on his website.  a search here will bring up his theory.

He shared his theory and then some updates that are riddled with errors -   check it out.



May 2001

One year later, detective Lou Smit presented his intruder theory on the Today Show. He stated that the DNA, found in the panties and under JonBenét's fingernails, did not match John or Burke Ramsey and indicated an intruder. He said that the hair found on the blanket was also an indication of an intruder.

It has been stated that the DNA in JonBenét's panties and under her finger nails were several days old and degraded. While Smit believed the hair found on the blanket belonged to an intruder, it has subsequently been identified as belonging to Patsy Ramsey.

Molecular biologist Melissa Weber of Cell Mark Laboratories consulted several detectives after Cell Mark analyzed the DNA. Steve Thomas and Deputy DA DeMuth were at this meeting; Lou Smit was not. Steve Thomas said that Melissa Weber stated that the analysis showed the possibility that there may be DNA of another person mixed in with JonBenét's DNA found in the panties and under her fingernails.

However, this foreign DNA could be the result of a false positive (stutter). Melissa Weber went on to say that if there were two sources of DNA and they were mixed together, then no one could be excluded. This is contrary to Lou Smit's statement that John and Burke had been excluded. Shortly after the meeting with Weber, Deputy DA DeMuth announced that the DNA did not match John Ramsey's DNA. While technically a true statement, a better statement would have been, "No DNA match is possible under present technology".

When Cell Mark Laboratories was given the job of testing the DNA under JonBenét's fingernails and in her panties, there wasn't enough DNA to test, so they had to grow more DNA from the small sample they did have. The process of growing more DNA from a small sample is called PCR amplification. Unfortunately, when you don't have a perfect sample, the DNA is old, degraded or damaged, the imperfect DNA is amplified also. Sometimes, this imperfect DNA, or non-matching DNA, gives a false impression that it is another person’s DNA.

Having additional markers is a common problem with PCR amplification. Scientist call this problem, stuttering or shadow bands. When the DNA under the fingernails and in the panties was tested, there were more markers than there should have been. What caused these extra markers? Amplifying degraded DNA may be responsible for the extra markers, not an intruder.

Smit also said that the shoe print found near the body was also an indication of an intruder. He said that it was his belief that the intruder came into the house through the basement window, leaving a scuff mark on the wall as his shoe slid down the wall. He did not say whether the Hi-Tec brand of shoe that made the print in the basement was capable of making the scuff mark found on the basement wall. The material found in the scuff mark should match the sole of the shoe. They did not test John Ramsey's shoes to see if one of them could have made the scuff mark.

From the beginning, many people believed that the John Ramsey hired private investigators to help find the killer of JonBenét. We remember getting reports that private investigators were on the scene the day after the murder asking question and getting information from Ramsey’s neighbors. To many, it demonstrated that the Ramsey’s were innocent. Why would the guilty hire investigators to collect evidence the prosecutor would use against them?

 On May 31, 2000, John said on Larry King Live "We've had investigators, seasoned investigators collectively with over 500 homicides under their belt who have been working on this case day in and day out. They have questions, they have information." We now learn that there never was a private investigation into the death of JonBenét. On December 12, 2001, during a deposition, John Ramsey said that the "purpose of those investigators was to prepare a defense in the case that the police might bring a charge against me."

Many are saddened to learn that there was no private investigation into the death of JonBenét. Because of the Ramsey and OJ case, many have lost faith in our legal system. A system easily manipulated by the rich and powerful. Even Ramsey's head investigator, Ellis Armistead, has stated that he has lost faith in the system. In an article in the Rocky Mountain News, Armistead said his assignment was not to solve the crime. "It was to keep the Ramseys from being arrested."

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  sick theory from T Cowen
Posted by: jameson245 - 10-25-2018, 03:04 PM - Forum: just BORG hate - Replies (2)

Part of his BURKE did it theory, this is sick fantasy that speaks more about T Cowen than the evidence in this crime.



Denver, Colorado, 1996

A few days before Christmas there was a large party near Denver. This party was for the entire West Coast mob. The mob had their party just before Christmas so that a large gathering would not attract attention. At this party, the goal was to grant every person their sexual gratification. The party’s organizers provided boys, girls, young men and young women for the pleasure of the attendees.

JonBenét was the daughter of John Ramsey and a six-year-old beauty pageant winner. A small segment of the mob that enjoys playing with small girls knows about JonBenét. The mob wants JonBenét and they give their guarantee to John that they will not harm her. John's first reaction was—not with my daughter! 

A mob boss applied pressure on John until he relented. To John’s dismay, he now understands the high cost of doing business with the mob. The party’s organizers also asked Fleet to contact his father to get help in finding a man that was an expert with a garrote.

Before taking JonBenét to the party, John told her that it won’t take long and she must be quiet and still while the men examine her. At the party, in a private room, JonBenet is naked and lies on a table. A small group of men is watching as one man puts a leather collar around JonBenét’s neck and then the cord that goes over the collar. JonBenét is very troubled by the strange events happening to her, but she obeys her father to be still. The man twist the cord, making it tighter. The man is very gentle with her and the cord is just tight enough to reduce blood flow to her brain. 

The garrote around her neck was not painful and there was very little discomfort.  When JonBenét was ready, the man nodded his head and the men around the table began to fondle her. Even though she was frightened most of the time, she enjoyed the men stroking her and she had an intense orgasm at the end. The men did not harm JonBenét and everyone enjoyed the experience. John picked her up at the party and took her home. That night, JonBenét wets the bed for the first time in over a year.

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  A thread for Candy
Posted by: jameson245 - 10-19-2018, 07:07 PM - Forum: Found on other forums - No Replies

Candy, you wrote, "Opening up the grand jury files would be a disaster. That is what the Scams want. They want to know who had credibility before the grand jury that indicted THEM and dig up whatever dirt they already don't have on them."

 I think all of us would like to see the transcript of the entire proceedings because there has been 20 YEARS of speculation and gossip.

The Whites want to see the documents and interviews that accused them of child abuse - - and I would think you would support their request.  After all, they were living a clean life in Boulder and all of a sudden Nancy Krebs made accusations that ripped their world apart.  (watch the 2014 tape of them addressing Boulder council).

Anyway, the Ramseys don't need to see the transcripts to know the prosecution team orchestrated a witch hunt in there, that they put on "expert opinions" that were fictitious, that Steve Thomas' theory was given credibility.  They know the intruder evidence was NOT welcome and when Lou Smit was on the witness stand he was treated with disrespect, scoffed at by Morrissey and Kane.  They know all that.

What they want is for the false witnesses to be help up for examination, that the truth be told and their reputations be restored.

They also know that even if a movie was released that secret elves took of the murder -- - the BORG would ignore it and stick to their BORG position and still blame the parents.

It's sad but true.

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  other stories
Posted by: jameson245 - 10-19-2018, 03:50 PM - Forum: Burke sues CBS for 750 million - No Replies

https://www.intouchweekly.com/posts/jonb...her-files/

JonBenét Ramsey’s Brother Urges Investigators To Release Files That Prove His Innocence
Oct 18, 2018 11:21 am
By Megan Heintz



Who killed JonBenét Ramsey? That’s the question that’s plagued authorities and family members for nearly 22 years. Now, the former beauty queen’s brother, Burke Ramsey, is determined to prove his innocence once and for all — by pressuring investigators for key documents.
According to Radar Online, the 31-year-old served CBS with a whopping $750 million defamation lawsuit for the 2016 docuseries The Case of: JonBenét Ramsey, and his team is pushing for the release of more than 60,000 pages of confidential police and FBI records, DNA evidence, and medical examinations gathered during the investigation.
The Ramsey family attorney, L. Lin Wood, insists: “Burke is innocent.”

Burke’s lawyers say key evidence about the contents of JonBenét’s stomach was deliberately left out of the docuseries in order to frame him. The scenario alleged that a then-nine-year-old Burke was furious at JonBenét for stealing pineapple from his bowl, so he smashed her over the head with a flashlight and killed her.
But Burke’s lawsuit claims the pineapple found in JonBenét’s body was in the intestinal tract below her stomach — meaning it had been eaten two to three hours before she died. Additionally, grapes and cherries were found in her system, which the series failed to disclose.
Experts — who testified in the case — said JonBenét would have died within three minutes of a blow to the head, so she wouldn’t have digested the pineapple. In other words, the docuseries’ theory is impossible.


On Christmas day in 1996, JonBenét was discovered sexually molested and strangled to death in the basement of the family’s Boulder, CO home. Although many people have been associated with her murder, the case is still open.
The Boulder District Attorney’s office supported the theory that JonBenét was killed by an intruder, with a broken window in the basement and the gruesome way she was killed (suffocated by a garrote) listed as potential “evidence.”
However, the alleged intruder/murderer has not been found; in 2006, elementary school teacher John Mark Karr falsely confessed to the pageant star’s murder, but DNA samples provided by him did not match the DNA samples found on the child’s body.
In Summer 2016, In Touch revealed that Michael Vail tipped off police about his high school friend Gary Silva — a pedophile with a strong connection to the case — calling him days after the 1996 murder confessing that he “hurt a little girl.” To this day, though, who truly killed JonBenét remains unsolved.



(Note - Michael Vail turned in a man named Oliva, not Silva)

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  Lori Poland - Robert Thiret
Posted by: jameson245 - 09-24-2018, 06:27 PM - Forum: Colorado crimes - Replies (1)

• Aug. 22, 1983: three-year-old Lori Poland was kidnapped in front of her home. Witnesses saw a partial car license plate number that matched another seen in an earlier reported kidnap attempt. The match led to Robert Paul Thiret. Three days later, Lori was rescued when a couple hiking 15 miles west of Denver heard her cries for help from the bottom of a 10-foot outhouse pit. Lori was hospitalized and suffered from exposure, but identified Thiret in a photo lineup. He went to prison in 1984 until he was completely freed in 1990 with no parole requirement.

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  grave defiled
Posted by: jameson245 - 09-20-2018, 09:42 PM - Forum: just BORG hate - No Replies

In October of 1999 the marble slab of JonBenet’s grave had been vandalized. Using a red marker, an unknown person wrote “No justice in the U.S.A.” just days after DA Alex Hunter announced that he would not be pressing charges against John or Patsy Ramsey after the 13 month grand jury investigation.

This would not be the only incident someone had written a message on JonBenet’s resting spot. During an interview with Larry King, John and Patsy went with the film to the cemetery in Marietta, Georgia where they found another message. This time “Daddy did it” was written on a bottom corner of the slab, also in red marker.

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  BORG - huh?
Posted by: jameson245 - 09-20-2018, 10:58 AM - Forum: Misinformation found elsewhere, not BORG but wrong - Replies (1)

"Since JonBenet was not actually kidnapped and there was no effort to collect ransom"  - the author of that page feels that is evidence against the parents.  I would ask how logic makes that evidence against the parents.  Has any other parent killed their child and left the note AND body in the same location?  How, in BORG minds, does that make more sense than an intruder doing it?

Same author adds this thought:   "JonBenet's hair being tied into a knot behind her head is difficult and illogical for an intruder to do on a living, resisting child."

WHAT???  It makes more sense for a PARENT to do that?  

JonBenet was killed by a vicious predator  There is no evidence her parents would, could or did do this.

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