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  Delmar England
Posted by: jameson245 - 08-15-2018, 06:39 PM - Forum: Absolutely insane posts - mostly by BORG - Replies (2)

Here's one of his...

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DNA? So, it does not match the family. So what? Who does it match? Unknown? If unknown, how can it be known to connect to the crime and be "evidence?" If the source of this DNA were known, then factually connected to the crime scene, then it is evidence. Absence this, it is just more speculation that caters to intruder mental creation."


He is talking about the DNA of an unknown male that was found under JonBenet's nails, on the sides of the longjohns she wore to bed that night - and the same DNA was found comingled with the blood in her panties.  That blood was the result of the sexual assault that took place just before she died - it had not started to heal.

He discounts this as evidence.  God save us from people like him who become detectives.

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  His First mention of Ramsey
Posted by: jameson245 - 08-15-2018, 08:51 AM - Forum: Michael Tracey - No Replies

Here is the text of the article Michael Tracey wrote for the Sunday edition of the Daily Camera in September 1997. 

The first finger of blame was pointed at the paparazzi. But it didn’t take much reflection to understand that these young men – it is a male sport – scummish and ruthless though they may be, were low down the food chain. There were the agencies that bought their photos, the papers, magazines and TV programmes to whom they were sold. And there was us, the reader, the viewer, the merely curious, the ogler, the voyeur, the fantasist who perhaps compensated for a drab life by borrowing something, God knows what, from the images of the famously glamorous. More than once we have heard that her death is “like a Greek tragedy,” the essence of which is that it speaks to a larger truth, in this case the despoiling of public and private life by media and their consumers obsessed with the flashy and the trivial and the seedy. But we did not need a car crash to tell us this. The truth of what we have become as a media saturated culture was already right before our eyes.
Three days before Diana’s death I had given the latest of a number of interviews about the media coverage of the Ramsey case. This was to MSNBC, but there had been others with local stations, talk radio and local press. It occurred to me that I had never actually put pen to paper about this. Twenty-four hours before she died, here is what I wrote about a child and her murder and the way we have dealt with it.
There is a line in a James Woods movie which keeps sloshing around my mind. Woods is playing the lawyer, Danny Davis, who defended the McMartins, the owners of a day care center in Los Angeles who were accused in 1983 of appalling sexual crimes against children. Davis is toying with the idea of defending the McMartins. His wife is trying to dissuade him along the lines of “how can you even think of defending those scumbags after what they did to those children…” Because they have a Constitutional right to be defended, because that is what the rule of law is all about, he tries on her with growing exasperation. He pauses and finally screams, pointing to a TV picture of a baying mob calling for all kinds of horrors to be visited upon the hapless family, “how come everybody in America knows they’re guilty?” It was a good question, because not only could everyone not ‘know’ of their guilt, we now know, after one of the longest trials in American history that they were innocent. They were abused, wrongfully accused, their lives and careers destroyed but the hysterical mob, the avenging and vengeful prosecutors did not get their way.
I keep asking myself, “how come everybody ‘knows’ that John and Patsy Ramsey are guilty?” It’s a question that puzzles and troubles, hanging there like a gargoyle with a grotesque and taunting grin. I’ve tried it in the office, in my favorite bar, with friends and family.
Almost everyone is so sure. Everybody seems to “know” they’re guilty, rather in the way in which everyone “knew” that the McMartins were guilty and every white jury in Mississippi “knows” that that black boy standing before them is guilty. But on what basis? Surely not from the available evidence, which circumstantially might provide grounds for wondering but not the Salem-like damnation which has been heaped upon them.
I cannot bring myself to be so sure. I remember too well the atmosphere in Britain in the 1970s in the wake of a series of pub bombs by the IRA how many Irish men and women were captured, prosecuted, found guilty and placed in prison for lengthy spells. I remember how we all, in the community, ‘knew’ they were guilty. Problem was they weren’t, they were merely ruined.
We are so ready to judge, to damn, to seek revenge, to leap to judgments that lie well beyond an evidential base. But the Ramsey case throws up so many troubling aspects of the society.
Further evidence of the corruption of journalistic values. Of the fact that where there had once been clear water between mainstream values and those of the tabloids, there was now little or none. Of the voyeuristic, manipulative, trashy, exploitative character of the coverage. Of the fact that an increasing habit of our culture is to salivate at the violent, to take private tragedy and use it as public spectacle for the crude and boorish end of boosting circulation and ratings. Sad that it has come to this.
Further evidence of the corruption of the rule of law, of the undermining of the judicial process as it becomes a department in the gargantuan, all consuming entertainment industry. The pressure to get more and more evidence released, including the autopsy report, may have been rhetorically underpinned by something called “the public’s right to know” but was too often a cynical exercise in keeping the story alive, to feed the public appetite for more morsels from a child’s death. And hardly anywhere did the media allow for the presumption of innocence, rather preferring to suck as much marrow as possible from the presumption of guilt. The Ramsey case, through the way in which it has been covered, and the way in which we have devoured that coverage, is insight to a culture which seems far more willing to attend to the minutiae of shameful murder than it is to issues of greater import to the successful functioning of the society. A society which seems to find in the murder of a child, as a leading local columnist put it, “entertainment,” a curious kind of pleasure in another’s pain. So sad that it has come to this.
Perhaps the most troubling aspect of the Ramsey case is that it is as if an awful lot of people want them to be guilty. The question is, why? It’s an interesting question and I have only speculations in the way of answer. Perhaps they have been told so often through the media – implicitly and explicitly – that that is where the guilt resides. Perhaps they want closure. There may also be the circumstantial evidence, though that should stimulate a modicum of suspicion, not conclusion. It may have something to do with a sentiment among a good number of American women that all men are sexual predators from whom no female, including their daughters, are safe. That has very much been the gist of the coverage in the tabloids, whose biggest audience is by far women.
Whatever the reason and whoever hopefully is brought to justice what I do know is that when someone squeezed the life from that child they robbed her of all that she might have been. But every time we use JonBenet’s story, flaunt her picture, pick up a tabloid because she is on the cover, gawk at the television as the latest twist or turn in the story is rendered in breathless, shocked tones, dripping with false pity and concern, each and every time we do these things we feed the pockets of an industry that cares for nothing other than its share or its circulation. Each and every time we rob the soul of a small child resting in the warm rich soil of Georgia.

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  hidden room?
Posted by: jameson245 - 08-15-2018, 06:00 AM - Forum: odds and ends - No Replies

Wendy Redal wrote

When I first agreed to join the project, I met Dan Glick (then of Newsweek), with whom I would be working, in the kitchen at the Ramseys’ home. I toured the house, including the so-called ‘wine cellar’ where JonBenet’s body was found. It was so interesting later, as I was reviewing the media coverage, to hear a reporter from American Journal stand in front of the house there on 15th Street and refer to “this maze of a house…with its secret room.” It was a large house, yes, but no “maze,” and the “secret room” was easily located with one right turn at the foot of the basement stairs. It struck me as I watched this guy that he had never been in the house, yet he was speaking as if he had. It was thus ludicrous to discover that the reporters interviewing the Ramseys’ housekeeper (Linda-somebody; I can’t remember her last name) were buying her statements that she “never knew of” this hideaway. If not, then she’d simply never opened doors in the basement, as it was no hidden room.

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  Wendy Redal wrote
Posted by: jameson245 - 08-15-2018, 05:58 AM - Forum: Names to remember - Replies (1)

I actually provided some research assistance on Tracey’s first documentary, which interrogated the role of the media in establishing that ‘of course the parents did it.’ I came to the project assuming they probably were involved, but rather quickly came to recognize the amazing way in which those assumptions were shored up — created for me, even — by the deeply flawed media accounts that Tracey critiques. My role as a researcher was to examine in detail several months’ worth of broadcast coverage (both TV & radio) of the case, immediately after the crime and on into the spring and summer of 1996. What was so fascinating was to engage all this in a compressed timespan (i.e., watching hours and hours of this stuff at once, rather than over time as it actually unfolded). In such a context it was easy to see the presumptions, the leaps of belief, the insistence on the parents’ guilt based not on rationality but on media suggestion and ‘gut feelings.’

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  banshee squeals
Posted by: jameson245 - 08-15-2018, 05:57 AM - Forum: just BORG hate - No Replies

from Scholars and Rogues

The laying down of that narrative seemed to happen in barely a moment as the whole world just “knew,” the child had been killed by her parents, that “bastard billionaire, John Ramsey,” and the “white trash with cash, Patsy Ramsey, oh God how I hate that woman.” These were the mantras, the banshee squeals around the case that echoed across not just the United States but the whole world. I lost count of the number of times I had people screaming at me, frothing at the mouth, when I even dared to question their certainty of parental guilt. What was really fascinating was that when I asked how come they were so certain, so knowing, the reply was often along the lines of either repeating the media stories but, more often, commenting that they “looked guilty,” or “ it’s a gut feeling.”

I have searched long and hard in the Constitution and in law manuals and have yet to find the proposition that, if accused of a crime, I have a right to be judged by a jury of my peers’ guts

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  banshee squeals
Posted by: jameson245 - 08-15-2018, 05:57 AM - Forum: just BORG hate - No Replies

from Scholars and Rogues

The laying down of that narrative seemed to happen in barely a moment as the whole world just “knew,” the child had been killed by her parents, that “bastard billionaire, John Ramsey,” and the “white trash with cash, Patsy Ramsey, oh God how I hate that woman.” These were the mantras, the banshee squeals around the case that echoed across not just the United States but the whole world. I lost count of the number of times I had people screaming at me, frothing at the mouth, when I even dared to question their certainty of parental guilt. What was really fascinating was that when I asked how come they were so certain, so knowing, the reply was often along the lines of either repeating the media stories but, more often, commenting that they “looked guilty,” or “ it’s a gut feeling.”

I have searched long and hard in the Constitution and in law manuals and have yet to find the proposition that, if accused of a crime, I have a right to be judged by a jury of my peers’ guts

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  Bill Wise
Posted by: jameson245 - 08-15-2018, 05:49 AM - Forum: odds and ends - Replies (1)

From Michael Tracey in Scholars and Rogues

There was one other, telling moment involving the Commissioners. Bill Wise was speaking with them at a meeting and assumed that the microphone in front of him wasn’t live. He was heard to say that the person who killed JonBenet was “wealthy.” John Ramsey was wealthy, though not the billionaire that some claimed and while Wise’s gaff led to his removal from any involvement with the case, it nevertheless was shaving with the grain of prevailing belief about the case, the Ramseys did it.

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  mitch Morrisey
Posted by: jameson245 - 08-15-2018, 05:46 AM - Forum: Names to remember - No Replies

From Michael Tracey in Rogues and Scholars      
Mitch Morrissey, an aggressive member of the Denver DA’s office, who was one of a number of advisers to the Boulder DA, Alex Hunter, theorized, it would emerge later, that it belonged to someone in the Taiwanese factory where they had been manufactured, perhaps by sneezing as the panties were being made or wrapped in their packing. They even sought a supplementary budget from the County Commissioners to send a detective to the factory. The Commissioners declined the suggestion.

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  Story that JR flew the plane to Atlanta
Posted by: jameson245 - 08-15-2018, 05:17 AM - Forum: odds and ends - No Replies

From Michael Tracey in Scholars and Rogues



Another little gem: John Ramsey, it was reported, had flown his private jet back to Atlanta, with his family and JonBenet’s casket on board. So there it is, Ramsey is so calm, so not grieving, so in control, so mentally calm that he could fly a jet. Ergo, he was a sociopath who killed her.

The source was, as we were told by the reporter who first broke the “story,” a member of law enforcement who had always been “reliable.” Problem was, not true. Dan Glick, a stringer for Newsweek who worked with us on the first documentary, did something which we used to teach in Journalism 101, he checked the facts. In particular, he checked the FAA take off and landing log at JeffCo Airport and discovered that in fact the jet had been sent by the Chairman of Lockheed Martin, which had bought Ramsey’s company, Access Graphics, and that the pilot was a Lockheed pilot. When we interviewed the reporter who broke this story, who is as far as I can tell a really nice guy, and I asked him why, he asked me in return “maybe you can tell me it wasn’t his plane and he didn’t fly it.” The script line that followed that soundbite in the documentary was obvious and, to be honest, devastating, “…it wasn’t his plane and he didn’t fly it.”

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  Stacy Denton
Posted by: jameson245 - 08-12-2018, 12:04 PM - Forum: Names to remember - Replies (4)

[Image: 917BaselineRdYellowHouse01.gif]Stacy Denton's
Strange Story

About her three homeless friends
and 917 Baseline Road



Quote:RECAP OF INFORMATION POSTED ONLINE ABOUT STACY DENTON, 917 BASELINE:

00. 1997-12-24 News Article: 48-year-old homeless man, David Emmit Simpson, face was beaten

01. Stacy Denton, played guitar and sang at the Pearl St. mall with 3 homeless guys
02. She was a folksinger from the Pearl Street Mall for 11 years, with her bird, Dolly
03. Stacy Denton claimed JonBenet's murder happened at 917 Baseline Road
04. She said the murder weapon possibly was in the basement, in a heating duct
05. She said it happened in the basement at 917 Baseline on the pool table
06. She said the green fibers in JonBenet's hair were from the pool table.
07. She said her homeless friends spotted John Ramsey carrying JonBenet's body in garment bag
08. She said her friends reported what they saw and were murdered, dumped into Boulder Creek
09. The three homeless guys witness a man carrying body 12/25/1996 by 917 Baseline house
10. Two of the homeless men were Daniel Julian (July 97), Thomas Lemmon (Aug 97)
11. Third homeless man was David Emmett Simpson (aka "Mad Dog") who died Sept 97
12. Stacy Denton said JonBenet Ramsey died in a "A Dianic Wicca ritual"
13. Stacy feared for her life after her three friends died and she left the state
14. Stacy said "I found that around the U.S., Boulder is known as "Occult Central"
15. Stacy said "A painter found occult paraphelnalia in all of John Ramsey's offices!

Internet Subculture Feedback:

16. 1999-04-10 Starfist posted on Justice Watch about street person sending FAX at Safeway
17. 1999-04-10 Starfist questions whether the person sending FAX at Safeway is Jameson
18. 1999-04-14 Starfist obtained the political cartoon that was FAXED from Safeway
19. 2001-05-21 Stacy Denton tells story on BNF about political cartoon and 917 Baseline
20. 2001-05-21 Stacy Denton put her "Ballad To Jon Benet" on the Boulder News Forum
21. 2001-06-18 Nandee posts the house owner information on Cybersleuths forum
22. 2001-06-18 ACandyRose posts names of house residents on the Cybersleuths forum
23. 2001-06-21 Kimba posts some research on reverse telehone numbers on Cybersleuths forum
24. 2001-06-27 Chatter posts on Cybersleuths forum the location where house pic is
25. 2001-06-27 Jameson posts a picture of the house on her Webbsleuths forum
26. 2005-05-23 Eagle1 posts that he/she and others e-mailed with Stacy Denton at one time
27. 2005-07-21 BienHoa1968 posted names of 3 homeless men on Cybersleuths forum




Stacy Denton seems to have disappeared and Internet posters were still asking in 2005 if anybody has heard from her or anything else on this story. More currently in 2007, I found a Daily Camera News article titled, "Club offers support to homeless" that talks about "a Stacy Denton" and was wondering if this is the same Stacy Denton who told this story so many years ago?

Quotes from the following article:
http://www.dailycamera.com/news/2007/jan...-homeless/

"Rain or shine, snow or sun, every morning Stacy Denton grabs the same table in the back of the Pearl Street Mall Starbucks near the stir sticks and the creamer."

"Denton is sort of like the group's matriarch. Always concerned for her friends' well-being, she's become notorious for her constant storm forecasts, earning her the label "homeless weather lady."

"Although she's often a rock for others, Denton credits the morning meetings — which can last from 7 a.m. to 1 p.m. — for keeping her off the streets."

"That's where she found herself in 1999, at age 46. Suffering from post-traumatic stress disorder brought on by "the nastiest divorce," Denton was eating out of Dumpsters and sleeping under a Boulder Creek tunnel."

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