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Posted by: jameson245 - 09-10-2020, 03:04 PM - Forum: Nancy Krebs
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https://web.archive.org/web/20021212174745/holoworld.com/ramseyreports/FamilyTree.jpg
Nancy Jo Krebs, AKA Mystery Woman, the woman who exposed the truth about the JonBenet Ramsey murder. Born April 25, 1962. Residences: Shasta Lake, CA. Pismo Beach, CA. Los Osos, CA. Hereford, AZ. Bisbee, AZ. Bakersfield, CA. Santa Maria, CA. Tucson, AZ. Reported in 1991 that she had been raped by Macky Boykin.
Fleet Russell White Sr, AKA White Fleet. Born March 20, 1913. Mother's maiden name Townsend. Godfather of Nancy Kreb's mother. Died August 6, 2006. Wife Nyla M. White Age 97. Residences: Aspen, CO. Costa Mesa, CA. Irvine, CA Santa Ana, CA, New Orleans, LA. Indio, CA. Strongly suspected of being a high level Freemason.
Alyce Holtz, Fleet Russell White Sr's first wife. Maiden name Baerthlein
Nyla M. White, AKA Myla M. White. AKA Nyla F. White. Born June 8, 1923. Second wife of Fleet Russell White Sr. Mother of Fleet Russell White Jr. Age 97. Residences: Aspen, CO. Glenwood Springs, CO. Costa Mesa, CA. Tustin, CA.
Fleet Russell White Jr., AKA Fleet P. White. AKA Fleet Priscilla B. White. AKA White Fleet Age 71. Born May 19, 1949. Son of Nyla M. White. Lives in Boulder, CO. Children: David White 49, Daphne White, 30, Lisa White 52 Residences: Boulder, CO. Superior CO. Jacksonville, FL. Newport Beach, CA. Irvine, CA.
Priscilla B. Brown, Wife of Fleet Russell White Jr.
Gordon W. Christoff, Nancy Krebs' Grandfather, Born Feb 08 1911, Mother Nee Clifford, Died Feb 08, 1966 in L.A. CA, Close friend of Fleet Russell White Sr. from school. According to Nancy Krebs, it was Gordon Christoff and Fleet White Sr. who were the first ones to sexually abuse her together when Nancy Krebs was three years old, which would be 1965 or 1966. She says the two men were together when they sexually abused her.
Alyce Christoff Sprague, Nancy Krebs' Grandmother and Wife of Gordon Christoff, Born July 13, 1912, Lived in San Luis Obispo, CA, 1st marriage to Gordon Christoff, 2nd marriage to Albert Sprague, Friend of Fleet Russell White Sr from school.
Gordon and Alyce Christoff lived in Hawaii for a year along with Fleet Russell White Sr and his wife before Gwen was born.
Albert Hedding Sprague, Second husband to Alyce Christoff. Born August 2, 1910. Died 1991 at 80 years. Led a very Machiavellian existence. He took a job in early 1936 building roads in North Africa and was recruited by the OSS (Office of Strategic Services). Worked in Army Intelligence until the end of WW2, then stayed in North Africa for another year (1946) building roads for the Army Corp of Engineers. Father of Tal Jones.
Tal Jones, AKA Spade. Fleet Russell White Jr's half brother. Biological son of Fleet Russell White Sr.
Clifford D. Christoff AKA "Chris", Son of Gordon Christoff, Born August 24, 1947, Brother of Gwen, Kern County, California Sheriff (1986-2007), Wife Betty, Good friend of Fleet Russell White Jr.
https://transparentcalifornia.com/pensions/2012/kern-county-pension/clifford-christoff/
It is of significance that Kern Country where this man was Deputy Sheriff is right next to San Luis Obispo County.
Gwen Louise Christoff Krebs Boykin, Daughter of Gordon and Alyce. Born May 3, 1942. Nancy Kreb's mother. Fleet Russell White Sr's God daughter. Married first to Don Krebs. Married second to Thomas Boykin.
Don H. Krebs, AKA Don Dallas Krebs, father of Nancy Krebs. First husband of Gwen Christoff. Son of Harold Krebs. Residences: Shasta Lake, CA. Cambridge, MA. Shasta, CA. Redding, CA. Bella Vista, CA. Pismo Beach, CA. Nipomo, CA. Currently resides in MO. Currently age 79.
Douglas Lee Krebs, Brother of Don Krebs, Uncle to Nancy Krebs, Currently age 82, Residences: Riverside, CA. Los Osos, CA. Moreno Valley, CA. Cochise, AZ. Trinidad, CA. Sierra Vista, AZ.
Thomas Alvin Boykin, Born Aug 28, 1938 Second husband of Gwen Christoff, Stepfather of Nancy Krebs. Died Feb 9, 2002.
Macky Boykin, Brother of Thomas Boykin, Born 1933 in Oklahoma, Mother's maiden name Phillips. Step-Uncle of Nancy Krebs. Alleged to be a former U.S. Navy officer. Residences: Trona, CA. near the China Lake Naval Weapons Center. Convicted of raping Nancy Krebs on 11-9-1995 in Kern County, CA. Died November, 1996. A Deeper Look into Boykin.
Lewis Wayne Boykin Sr., Brother of Thomas and Macky. Born 1936. Died 2003.
Rex Krebs, San Luis Obispo killer/rapist, Born Jan 28, 1966
https://www.sanluisobispo.com/news/local/crime/article229321569.html
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Sept 1997 - Michael Tracey's entrance |
Posted by: jameson245 - 09-09-2020, 08:01 PM - Forum: 1997 - 1998
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The following article was written in September, 1997 for a Sunday Edition of the Daily Camera. This led to Patsy Ramsey approaching MT.
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The first finger of blame was pointed at the paparazzi. But it didn’t take much reflection to understand that these young men – it is a male sport – scummish and ruthless though they may be, were low down the food chain. There were the agencies that bought their photos, the papers, magazines and TV programmes to whom they were sold. And there was us, the reader, the viewer, the merely curious, the ogler, the voyeur, the fantasist who perhaps compensated for a drab life by borrowing something, God knows what, from the images of the famously glamorous. More than once we have heard that her death is “like a Greek tragedy,” the essence of which is that it speaks to a larger truth, in this case the despoiling of public and private life by media and their consumers obsessed with the flashy and the trivial and the seedy. But we did not need a car crash to tell us this. The truth of what we have become as a media saturated culture was already right before our eyes.
Three days before Diana’s death I had given the latest of a number of interviews about the media coverage of the Ramsey case. This was to MSNBC, but there had been others with local stations, talk radio and local press. It occurred to me that I had never actually put pen to paper about this. Twenty-four hours before she died, here is what I wrote about a child and her murder and the way we have dealt with it.
There is a line in a James Woods movie which keeps sloshing around my mind. Woods is playing the lawyer, Danny Davis, who defended the McMartins, the owners of a day care center in Los Angeles who were accused in 1983 of appalling sexual crimes against children. Davis is toying with the idea of defending the McMartins. His wife is trying to dissuade him along the lines of “how can you even think of defending those scumbags after what they did to those children…” Because they have a Constitutional right to be defended, because that is what the rule of law is all about, he tries on her with growing exasperation. He pauses and finally screams, pointing to a TV picture of a baying mob calling for all kinds of horrors to be visited upon the hapless family, “how come everybody in America knows they’re guilty?” It was a good question, because not only could everyone not ‘know’ of their guilt, we now know, after one of the longest trials in American history that they were innocent. They were abused, wrongfully accused, their lives and careers destroyed but the hysterical mob, the avenging and vengeful prosecutors did not get their way.
I keep asking myself, “how come everybody ‘knows’ that John and Patsy Ramsey are guilty?” It’s a question that puzzles and troubles, hanging there like a gargoyle with a grotesque and taunting grin. I’ve tried it in the office, in my favorite bar, with friends and family.
Almost everyone is so sure. Everybody seems to “know” they’re guilty, rather in the way in which everyone “knew” that the McMartins were guilty and every white jury in Mississippi “knows” that that black boy standing before them is guilty. But on what basis? Surely not from the available evidence, which circumstantially might provide grounds for wondering but not the Salem-like damnation which has been heaped upon them.
I cannot bring myself to be so sure. I remember too well the atmosphere in Britain in the 1970s in the wake of a series of pub bombs by the IRA how many Irish men and women were captured, prosecuted, found guilty and placed in prison for lengthy spells. I remember how we all, in the community, ‘knew’ they were guilty. Problem was they weren’t, they were merely ruined.
We are so ready to judge, to damn, to seek revenge, to leap to judgments that lie well beyond an evidential base. But the Ramsey case throws up so many troubling aspects of the society.
Further evidence of the corruption of journalistic values. Of the fact that where there had once been clear water between mainstream values and those of the tabloids, there was now little or none. Of the voyeuristic, manipulative, trashy, exploitative character of the coverage. Of the fact that an increasing habit of our culture is to salivate at the violent, to take private tragedy and use it as public spectacle for the crude and boorish end of boosting circulation and ratings. Sad that it has come to this.
Further evidence of the corruption of the rule of law, of the undermining of the judicial process as it becomes a department in the gargantuan, all consuming entertainment industry. The pressure to get more and more evidence released, including the autopsy report, may have been rhetorically underpinned by something called “the public’s right to know” but was too often a cynical exercise in keeping the story alive, to feed the public appetite for more morsels from a child’s death. And hardly anywhere did the media allow for the presumption of innocence, rather preferring to suck as much marrow as possible from the presumption of guilt. The Ramsey case, through the way in which it has been covered, and the way in which we have devoured that coverage, is insight to a culture which seems far more willing to attend to the minutiae of shameful murder than it is to issues of greater import to the successful functioning of the society. A society which seems to find in the murder of a child, as a leading local columnist put it, “entertainment,” a curious kind of pleasure in another’s pain. So sad that it has come to this.
Perhaps the most troubling aspect of the Ramsey case is that it is as if an awful lot of people want them to be guilty. The question is, why? It’s an interesting question and I have only speculations in the way of answer. Perhaps they have been told so often through the media – implicitly and explicitly – that that is where the guilt resides. Perhaps they want closure. There may also be the circumstantial evidence, though that should stimulate a modicum of suspicion, not conclusion. It may have something to do with a sentiment among a good number of American women that all men are sexual predators from whom no female, including their daughters, are safe. That has very much been the gist of the coverage in the tabloids, whose biggest audience is by far women.
Whatever the reason and whoever hopefully is brought to justice what I do know is that when someone squeezed the life from that child they robbed her of all that she might have been. But every time we use JonBenet’s story, flaunt her picture, pick up a tabloid because she is on the cover, gawk at the television as the latest twist or turn in the story is rendered in breathless, shocked tones, dripping with false pity and concern, each and every time we do these things we feed the pockets of an industry that cares for nothing other than its share or its circulation. Each and every time we rob the soul of a small child resting in the warm rich soil of Georgia.
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Typical BORG twist |
Posted by: jameson245 - 09-06-2020, 05:02 PM - Forum: BORG theories and BORG people of note
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PR: I was fussing around with some clothes and glanced at her door and the door was closed. I always left it ajar a little bit. I just started downstairs - there were these pieces of paper lying on one of the rungs of the stairs. So I kind of turned around and looked at it to see what it was and I started reading the first couple lines. It just kinda wasn't registering but somewhere it said, 'we have your daughter. It clicked, you know, 'Your Daughter' and I just bounded back up the steps and threw her door open and she was not in her bed.
BORG sees this as a lie told by Patsy - - the door was closed - - I always left it ajar a bit. I look at this as Patsy saying the door wasn't wide open, it was close to closed, as she typically left it. Nothing looked wrong, it was not something "off" or "odd" But BORG said the door was completely shut and if Patsy wasn't involved in the crime she would have been freaked out then.
BORG just went after everything the Ramseys did.
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The Jaguar was not searched |
Posted by: jameson245 - 09-04-2020, 06:37 PM - Forum: Police errors
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The Ramseys owned a jaguar. It was in the garage when they left on December 26th and remained there until mid-March of 1997. At that point, a family friend took it and used it for a matter of months. At one point, she cleaned it out and was surprised to find a FAX of at least a dozen pages in the glove compartment. The FAX was from the summer of 1996 and it listed bonuses awarded to CEO's of many companies - - including Access Graphics.
The point is, anyone creeping around the Ramsey property could have seen that FAX - - but it is much more likely the FAX had been sent out to others on that list as well as John. John's bonus was NOT a well-kept secret.
Another situation that shows that the search was either incomplete - - or biased. The BORG would not have wanted to deal with that document. That would have meant an intruder COULD have found the number.... but I think it would be ignored more because the BPD didn't want the task of following up on everyone who received the information.
(filed under $118,000)
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BIASED BPD |
Posted by: jameson245 - 09-02-2020, 04:50 PM - Forum: Grand Jury Indictments
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This thread should be used to show evidence to believe the BPD was biased and the Grand Jury was not told the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth.
I will start with a quote from Susan Stine that appeared in Paula Woodward's book - We Have Your Daughter - Hard cover page 359
"It was very clear to me that the prosecutors were out to get the Ramseys. That's how their questioning was shaped. Their questions were filled with facts and evidence that the police and prosecutors should have already known wasn't accurate."
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FBI and BPD Bias |
Posted by: jameson245 - 08-29-2020, 12:24 AM - Forum: FBI involvement
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From Linda Arndt's deposition page 26
14 A. Well, after the FBI showed up at the house,
15 then I was told that there was the practiced note on
16 the note pad that John Ramsey had given earlier that
17 day and that the parents were involved.
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Fleet White should be able to sue |
Posted by: jameson245 - 08-28-2020, 05:06 PM - Forum: Answering BORG questions
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Posted on weBsleuths by "Anyhoo"
Quote:The story about JonBenet being asleep when the Ramsey's brought her home is a complete lie. JonBenet was dead by the time she was brought to her house from the Fleet White Jr. house and everything that suggests otherwise is a fabrication or deception. JBR was not taken to bed. What Burke said (if he actually said it) is a lie. It was important to lie about this to hide the truth of where the murder actually took place and more importantly who the murderer was.
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Burke did not ask if JBR was going with us to the Whites because Burke knew JBR was dead. He knew because he was present at the White Residence when JBR was murdered.
(The poster is now listed as a "former member" - - probably because they were pointing to Fleet as wwell as the family - - and pointing to ANYONE but a Ramsey is not allowed on Tricia's forums. One of her strict rules.
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Boyles, Darnay and LHP |
Posted by: jameson245 - 08-28-2020, 02:02 AM - Forum: Peter Boyles
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[color=var(--primary-text)]http://thewebsafe.tripod.com/06092000peterboylesshow-pb.htm
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[color=var(--primary-text)]June 9, 2000 - LINDA HOFFMANN-PUGH INTERVIEW (with her attorney Darnay Hoffman), Peter Boyles Radio Show [/color]
[color=var(--primary-text)]PETER BOYLES: Joining us is Linda Hoffmann-Pugh. [/color]
[color=var(--primary-text)]LINDA HOFFMANN-PUGH: Good morning.[/color]
[color=var(--primary-text)]PETER BOYLES: When we first met, you firmly believed PR was innocent. What changed?[/color]
[color=var(--primary-text)]LINDA HOFFMAN-PUGH: A lot of different things.[/color]
[color=var(--primary-text)]PETER BOYLES: When you were defending her, you didn't know they were giving you up.[/color]
[color=var(--primary-text)]DARNAY HOFFMAN: While the coroner was on his way, [to the Ramseys' house] they were already on their way to Linda's house.[/color]
[color=var(--primary-text)]PETER BOYLES: What time did they arrive at your home?[/color]
[color=var(--primary-text)]LINDA HOFFMANN-PUGH: 7 p.m. They wanted me to sit down at the table. [/color]
[color=var(--primary-text)]PETER BOYLES: How long was it before you knew PR had fingered you?[/color]
[color=var(--primary-text)]LINDA HOFFMAN-PUGH: A long time really...[not until the book] "Perfect Murder"...[was published February 23, 2000][/color]
[color=var(--primary-text)]PETER BOYLES: You were just the first of many they've fingered.[/color]
[color=var(--primary-text)]DARNAY HOFFMAN: Right. In their book, they talk about how Linda made the comment about how beautiful JBR was.[/color]
[color=var(--primary-text)]LINDA HOFFMANN-PUGH: Nedra said she was worried about the kids going out alone because she was worried about them being kidnapped, and then she turned around and said I said it.[/color]
[color=var(--primary-text)]PETER BOYLES: They're off the scale for doing that...Do you watch them now? Is the Patsy Ramsey on these shows remind you of the Patsy Ramsey you knew?[/color]
[color=var(--primary-text)] LINDA HOFFMAN-PUGH: No...I see a very different person. She was kind.[/color]
[color=var(--primary-text)]PETER BOYLES: One issue is Patsy Ramsey's make-up. In the multiple lies of John and Patsy, there are three different versions.[/color]
[color=var(--primary-text)]LINDA HOFFMANN-PUGH: Patsy NEVER got dressed to go downstairs to make coffee, she'd go down in her robe, and then go back upstairs to get dressed and put on makeup. I don't believe she ever got undressed. [/color]
[color=var(--primary-text)]PETER BOYLES: For her to be dressed identically, did you ever know PR...What was her wardrobe like?[/color]
[color=var(--primary-text)]LINDA HOFFMANN-PUGH: Nordstrom....the only thing I ever saw her wear twice maybe were a pair of jeans.[/color]
[color=var(--primary-text)]DARNAY HOFFMAN: Look what she was wearing two days in a row, festive clothing.[/color]
[color=var(--primary-text)]PETER BOYLES - [The room JonBenet was found in] they call the room the wine cellar.[/color]
[color=var(--primary-text)]LINDA HOFFMANN-PUGH: The truth is, I don't believe a stranger or intruder knew the room was there. I was there 13 months, it was Thanksgiving, before I ever knew it was there. [/color]
[color=var(--primary-text)]PETER BOYLES: I want to end with the handwriting, but let's get back to the bathroom...she had her own bathroom, she lived the life of a princess...what do you think happened?[/color]
[color=var(--primary-text)] LINDA HOFFMANN-PUGH: I know on Monday, the last day I was there, PR got upset with JBR, and my daughter saw her take her into the bathroom and close the door...I don't know what she did in there.[/color]
[color=var(--primary-text)]PETER BOYLES: You believe PR killed JBR.[/color]
[color=var(--primary-text)]LINDA HOFFMANN-PUGH: I do.[/color]
[color=var(--primary-text)]PETER BOYLES: I believe what you believe. Why do you think PR wants America to believe she's the victim?[/color]
[color=var(--primary-text)]LINDA HOFFMANN-PUGH: I think she believes she didn't do it. She's lost it that way. I don't think she meant to hurt her. We could talk all day about a lot of things.[/color]
[color=var(--primary-text)]PETER BOYLES: The note itself...the real centerpiece is the alleged ransom note.[/color]
[color=var(--primary-text)]DARNAY HOFFMAN: It's the only piece of evidence that doesn't have an innocent explanation.[/color]
[color=var(--primary-text)]LINDA HOFFMANN-PUGH: I think that "don't grow a brain John" sounds like PR. I've heard her say phrases like that.[/color]
[color=var(--primary-text)]PETER BOYLES: You said that after you saw the note how a chill ran down your spine.[/color]
[color=var(--primary-text)]LINDA HOFFMANN-PUGH: The "R's" look like her writing (another letter)[/color]
[color=var(--primary-text)]DARNAY HOFFMAN: My experts are working pro bono. I've submitted four samples in the Chris Wolf case.[/color]
[color=var(--primary-text)]PETER BOYLES: What conclusions have you arrived at?[/color]
[color=var(--primary-text)]LINDA HOFFMANN-PUGH: My conclusion is Patsy Ramsey killed her. I believe like Steve Thomas does, I wholeheartedly believe what he does.[/color]
[color=var(--primary-text)]PETER BOYLES: What started out as selective appearances, now releasing sketchman...why wasn't sketchman in the book...the whole thing.[/color]
[color=var(--primary-text)]LINDA HOFFMANN-PUGH: Something they cooked up to keep the focus off of them.[/color]
[color=var(--primary-text)]DARNAY HOFFMAN: They're like a virus, a cancer...they're trying to change the First Amendment...to cover up a horrendous child murder...the Ramseys are dead set on doing something like McCarthyism over this case.[/color]
[color=var(--primary-text)]PETER BOYLES: They make these veiled threats...but they're always centered around their son...they threaten me, through Lin Wood.[/color]
[color=var(--primary-text)]DARNAY HOFFMAN: They've threatened the governor of Colorado, how dare they.[/color]
[color=var(--primary-text)]PETER BOYLES: He's going to have to do it or get off the pot.[/color]
[color=var(--primary-text)]DARNAY HOFFMAN: They sued the New York Post, they'll be lucky they're not sanctioned...Lin Wood sued over a cartoon.[/color]
[color=var(--primary-text)]PETER BOYLES: You're very brave Linda.[/color]
[color=var(--primary-text)]DARNAY HOFFMAN: The only person looking out for JBR is the housekeeper.[/color][/color]
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